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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 6, 2004 6:22:29 GMT -5
Are you suggesting that the Adeptus Mechanicus has an additional force that is totally unknown to the Imperium? To answer this simply: Yes, I was. I'm sorry, I don't take the "it's all peaches and light" approach to the adeptus mechanicus, where they willingly submit to the Imperium in all things. This is why I was glad for that awful Soul Drinker novel, not only for the single best representation of a Marine that I have seen (the cover art), but also for the fact that the adeptus mechanicus was represented as self-serving! Thank you! I can therefore readily see that the adeptus mechanicus maintains a high-tech force in secret... something that the adetpus terra nor the Inquisition knows about. Then again I also take the approach that all of the organisations maintain some form of 'secret' something policy, where the something is troops, ships or whatever. Again, I'm sorry... I just don't think too highly of human nature, especially when politics is involved. This 'secret force' does not need to be represented in the game and more so especially in the wargame. It is a matter, for me, of reasonable extrapolation of the 'fluff' manifesting itself in the narrative alone. Kage
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 6, 2004 7:03:55 GMT -5
but also for the fact that the adeptus mechanicus was represented as self-serving! I would have thought this was self evident from their 'hoarder' weiw of technology and their non-compliance with the Imperial creed.
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Post by zholud on Jan 6, 2004 14:05:44 GMT -5
They are self-serving, but in the same time their allegiance is with the Cult Mechanicus, and the faith... I’m still think that it should be stressed that despite lip-service and superstition is wide-spread and often is used by AM in self-interest, many of high-ranking Magi actually believe that they have a goal of gathering knowledge and this is the main impediment not to overthrow Imperium openly or covertly. BTW new fluff states that there is such organization as parliament of AM. Called Mecanicum which decides n general strategy, and Fabricator is just a representative of it.
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 6, 2004 14:08:34 GMT -5
BTW new fluff states that there is such organization as parliament of AM. Called Mecanicum which decides n general strategy, and Fabricator is just a representative of it. Where can I find this new fluff? [Edit] Would the Adeptus Mechanicus have enough scietific inclination to use units of measurement (mass, length, speed, orbital period, gravity etc)?
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Post by zholud on Jan 6, 2004 15:32:54 GMT -5
Where can I find this new fluff? [Edit] Would the Adeptus Mechanicus have enough scietific inclination to use units of measurement (mass, length, speed, orbital period, gravity etc)? 1. Horus Heresy card game comes with 55 fluff cards. Some of them could be found at: www.pa-sy.com/hhccg as redeem ## 1-21. enjoy! Some other fluff I’ve read in translation (game is made on 5 languages) 2. of course they use Si-like system of measurements
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Post by Sojourner on Jan 6, 2004 15:42:00 GMT -5
You can't do any science without units.
I believe that the Navy use kilometres, and also use percentages, but called them 'hundredths'
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Post by Minister on Jan 6, 2004 17:19:06 GMT -5
Same thing, and still completley accurate, just a diferent notation.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 6, 2004 20:18:15 GMT -5
I’m still think that it should be stressed that despite lip-service and superstition is wide-spread and often is used by AM in self-interest, many of high-ranking Magi actually believe that they have a goal of gathering knowledge and this is the main impediment not to overthrow Imperium openly or covertly. This is the whole point of the philosophy, faction and pardigm system. Perhaps despite CELS additions that we need to have a more general representation of these than the specific manifestations of paradigm on Proteus? BTW new fluff states that there is such organization as parliament of AM. Called Mecanicum which decides n general strategy, and Fabricator is just a representative of it. This is new? I've had this for years... Darned freeloading GW! None of this is a problem for me at the moment. Kage
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Post by CELS on Jan 6, 2004 21:19:53 GMT -5
Just in case people aren't about to jump out of their seats volunteering to do the 'more general representations' of factions and philosophies, could you please elaborate on your plan so I know what you're looking for?
Speaking of paradigms btw, we have a new paradigm on Proteus. Farseer Kythil gave me the idea when suggesting that Proteus might be capable of producing some kind of very advanced computers (protein... something), which tied in nicely with an idea that me and some others talked about earlier, with Proteus machine spirits being more powerful than other machine spirits in some respects, but temperamental (as a result of an ancient technology that the Proteus magi don't fully master)
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 7, 2004 8:13:28 GMT -5
of course they use Si-like system of measurements i've always assumed that but I decided to ask anyway as the Adeptus Mechanicus don't really take a scientific approach to technology.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 7, 2004 12:07:06 GMT -5
...the Adeptus Mechanicus don't really take a scientific approach to technology. I've seen this assertion time after time and still find little real justification for it. The assumption seems to be that just because the adeptus mechanicus has religious trappings and/or structure that it must therefore not have a version of the scientific method. In the limited reconstructions of their beliefs that is possible this would seem a tenuous argument to take at best. Kage
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 7, 2004 12:16:59 GMT -5
So would the Adeptus Mechanicus have their own 'twist' to the units of measurement? (e.g. instead of using Earth as a comparison of planetary mass would they use Mars?)
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Post by zholud on Jan 7, 2004 12:18:31 GMT -5
i've always assumed that but I decided to ask anyway as the Adeptus Mechanicus don't really take a scientific approach to technology. I don't think so, as they actually make experiments (see Cursed Founding, new ship designs, LR variant (I forgot the name), etc) so they have to have some kind of system
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Post by CELS on Jan 7, 2004 12:21:03 GMT -5
Heheh, that is indeed a cool idea, and would fit their style perfectly. There is no examples to support such traditions however. Of course, that doesn't mean that it's impossible. Other than the Mars thing though, I'm sure they would use the metric system, like everyone else seems to do (except when there's an english author who doesn't know the metric system )
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 7, 2004 14:37:19 GMT -5
Given the traditional view of the adeptus mechanicus, i.e. living in the past, I think it would be more likely that they subscribe to Terrestrial conventions. Kage
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