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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 31, 2003 9:41:32 GMT -5
I realise that the Proteus Forge World is being covered (What about the one present in the Hiveworld sector?) and the Knight Worlds are being tackled. Has anyone thought of defining the actual presence of the Adeptus Mechanicus in the Anargo sector? By this I mean structure, the fleets, personnel and Titans among over things. The Adeptus Mechanicus are a lot more that just Forge Worlds.
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Post by CELS on Dec 31, 2003 10:12:15 GMT -5
Ah, excellent, excellent! *rubs hands together*
No one has of yet volunteered for the second Forgeworld, it's up for grabs. No planet has been chosen either, I think. All we've decided is that it's going to be a very young forgeworld, something like a millennia old maybe.
Defining the actual presence of the Adeptus Mechanicus in the Anargo sector... sounds like a big task. I'm not sure how easy this would be, considering how little work has been done on the sector already.
I'm still awaiting your help, since I understood that you'd made some thoughts on structure. We've had some discussion about the basic rank structure on Portent, as well as fleets and Titans. For the fleet, we've established that the Adeptus Mechancius fleet would consist mainly of research ships and 'forge ships' (mentioned in some 40k novel, I can't remember which). After much arguing with Minister, I also got permission to give our research ships varying degrees of armament (unregistered, of course). For the Titans, I've pretty much got the basic organisation for Legio Lancea. Will appear in the Proteus forum soon!
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 31, 2003 10:24:55 GMT -5
Yes of course, must get round to actually posting up the structure I have so far. If it is ok with everyone I would like to do the other Forge World. (Yes I realise I’m working on the Knight World but I have a lot of spare time on my hands). Any suggestions about the composition of the Adeptus Mechanicus fleets would be helpful.
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Post by malika on Dec 31, 2003 10:26:30 GMT -5
what kidna ships do they have anyways? just the normal imperial ships?
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 31, 2003 10:29:31 GMT -5
Nope here is some info on what ships the Adeptus Mechanicus have:
According to official records the Adeptus Mechanicus has no great war fleets or even capital ships. It has a great many small escort and patrol vessel, it has an unknown number of vessels dedicated to Explorator service up to the size of Heavy Cruiser, and it has whole fleets of transport vessels, including the largest transports in the whole galaxy. It also has over one thousand vessels described as Experimental or Research ships.
It is with its fleet of special transports that the Adeptus Mechanicus moves the Titan Legions from their Forge Worlds to the battlefields on which they are required. Special transports are also used to move the holy machines of the Centurio Ordinatus. The Adeptus Mechanicus is also responsible for the transports used by the Tech Guard and the majority of the transports used by the Imperial Guard.
EDIT: Trying to work out the number of the 'research ships' will be the trickest as I have yet to find a reliable source to base a comparison.
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Post by CELS on Dec 31, 2003 10:58:08 GMT -5
Nope here is some info on what ships the Adeptus Mechanicus have: May I ask where you have this information from? Did you write it yourself, or is it from official fluff (if yes, which)? According to official records the Adeptus Mechanicus has no great war fleets or even capital ships. It has a great many small escort and patrol vessel, it has an unknown number of vessels dedicated to Explorator service up to the size of Heavy Cruiser, and it has whole fleets of transport vessels, including the largest transports in the whole galaxy. It also has over one thousand vessels described as Experimental or Research ships. Are these not the same as the unknown number of vessels dedicated to Explorator service? It is with its fleet of special transports that the Adeptus Mechanicus moves the Titan Legions from their Forge Worlds to the battlefields on which they are required. Special transports are also used to move the holy machines of the Centurio Ordinatus. The Adeptus Mechanicus is also responsible for the transports used by the Tech Guard and the majority of the transports used by the Imperial Guard. Wow... I foresee much disagreement with Minister, our Navy expert ;D You see, Minister was very clear about the Adeptus Mechanicus not transporting its own Titans. Which special transports do you claim that the AM uses? Are these the fabled Galaxy class transports, perhaps? Minister also suggested (to put it rather mildly ) that the Imperium has been reorganised in such a way that no organisation would be able to work on its own, as a consequence of the Horus Heresy. Hence, Titan legions and Imperial Guard regiments would have difficulties rebelling, since they're dependant on the Imperial Navy to transport them between stars. If you're going to object, I suggest you start writing a list of official sources that say otherwise
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 31, 2003 11:19:05 GMT -5
May I ask where you have this information from? Did you write it yourself, or is it from official fluff. I didn't write the information myself I got it from 'Liber Mechanicus' unfortunately I don't know whether this is complied using offical information. Wow... I foresee much disagreement with Minister, our Navy expert ;D You see, Minister was very clear about the Adeptus Mechanicus not transporting its own Titans. Which special transports do you claim that the AM uses? Are these the fabled Galaxy class transports, perhaps? As yet I have been unable to find out which 'class' these transports belong too. Minister also suggested (to put it rather mildly ) that the Imperium has been reorganised in such a way that no organisation would be able to work on its own, as a consequence of the Horus Heresy. Hence, Titan legions and Imperial Guard regiments would have difficulties rebelling, since they're dependant on the Imperial Navy to transport them between stars. Note the word 'suggested' I have been unable to locate any offical information that confirms either one of our theories. However the Adeptus Mechanicus is renowned for its hoarding attitude towards technology and it is unlikely to entrust the safety of their most holy and powerful fighting machines to the common navy.
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Post by CELS on Dec 31, 2003 11:24:08 GMT -5
*grins* Would you believe that is the same thing I told Minister? ;D Perhaps we should wait for him to arrive to finish this discussion. If he has some solid fluff sources, there's really not much to talk about. If he doesn't, at least we should listen to his arguments before deciding.
As for the Liber Mechanicus; is that a website? May I have the url?
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 31, 2003 11:34:27 GMT -5
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Post by Sikkukkut on Dec 31, 2003 21:42:30 GMT -5
There's going to be a small Mechanicus outpost in the Castellan sub, centred around the household of a Magos Biologis with an interest in the study of greenskins, and who uses his knowledge fo them to help in the war effort in exchange for a regular supply of captured test subjects.
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Post by zholud on Jan 1, 2004 1:36:20 GMT -5
Some notes on AM ships. - Seems they are not organized in fleets, i.e. group of ships working together on the same task. Rather they send individual vessels either on own missions or by request of other Imperial bodies, especially Navy and Departamento Munitorum, but most likely under plead of Imperial governors for reconstruction or colonization. The latter have been never mentioned because of wargaming nature of universe, but I think they should exist.
- Titans are transported by Mechanicus vessels I assume because they (Titans) are governed by special Legios, which are not under the direct control of Mechanicus. Some indirect control emerge in the need of repair that is made only by AM.
- The ships of AM are usually smaller and faster than ordinary vessels both in real and warp travel. Some description of ships is in Soul Drinker novel. I may try to find excerpt and post here, despite I hate re-typing of paperbacks, which cannot be opened wide
- The orbital Forges are specialized vessels aimed to create ammunition of descanting armies.
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 1, 2004 1:47:35 GMT -5
Titans are transported by Mechanicus vessels I assume because they (Titans) are governed by special Legios, which are not under the direct control of Mechanicus. The Legio Titanicus is directly controlled by the Fabricator General of Mars (as is the Centurio Ordinatus), so the Adeptus Mechanicus does have direct control over the Titans.
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 1, 2004 4:02:35 GMT -5
Minimise human casualties!? You do realise that we're talking 40k, right? Human lives are cheap, robots are expensive. You do the math True but the general bulk of the Adeptus Mechanicus are not fighters (with the exception of the Tech Guard). Techno-heresy is a very interesting subject! And we actually talked on Portent about how machine spirits from Proteus could be different from others. Improved in some ways, but 'temperamental' and difficult at times. This could be on account of their advanced and ancient technology, which hasn't been fully mastered yet. It is a possiblity and one which I like very much. Perhaps the Tech-Priests of Proteus are verging on techno-heresy, through their use of research (yes it's techno-heresy too), but are tolerated because of the unqiue technology they can manufacture.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 1, 2004 4:44:54 GMT -5
<phew> A bit longer than I like it to be before jumping in, but there we go... Defining all of this detail would, for me, be a gargantuan task and one that I do not think is entirely appropriate. Going to the trouble to define some of it would, of course, be more than interesting. A representative slice, as it were. Agreed. This also gets us into a parallel concept: we need to know more about the structure of all the organisations in the adeptus terra, at least enough to act as a cohesive guideline to their utilisation in the Anargo sector. I would prefer that we didn't have people needing to invent terms because the background of the Anargo sector is lacking. We need a structure to which 'fluff' can be applied, not just the application of 'fluff'. The sector in this regard is hamstrung by the original 'fluff', I would like to rapidly point out. The very nature of the adetpus mechanicus combined with philosophy and more importantly faction/paradigm requires that there be undisclosed assets which would feasibly include advanced military ships. This is something that you're going to have to run by zholud in the "hiveworld subsector", since that is the location of the 'new forgeworld.' I thank Farseer Ktyhil for posting this and in essence proving a point. A personal request for the future, however. Make sure that all 'fluff' posts have an origin and/or author cited with them... Again, quantifying this level of detail might be inappropriate, much like trying to define the true numbers of the Civil Fleet. Best to produce some general guidelines to them to offer a structure - a skeleton if you will - and then leave the flesh to people who are interested in using the Anargo sector for their own creations. This works only to a point. All the organisations are for the most capable of independent activity, though the relative scale of such activity compared to the true 'size' is small. This creates interdependence without inability to individual operate. The difference is once again one of stasis and homeostasis. Interesting use of the word 'household' there... Incidentally, pleasure ensure that any 'fluff' on the adeptus mechanicus is integrated into the concept of philosopy, faction and paradigm of the adeptus mechanicus. This would make sense when one considers that they likely integrate the most advanced components into them, tying into my comments above. The wonderful thing about this is that it integrates into the philosophies of the adeptus mechanicus as well as the 'politics' of the same (a result of factions)... Let's try to keep everything together and, as much as possible, in the mind at the same time... ;D Kage
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Post by Sojourner on Jan 1, 2004 10:07:38 GMT -5
I would point out that Titan transporters don't have to be big. A Titan is a relatively small piece of machinery next to a ship
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