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Post by Seamus on May 10, 2004 19:24:03 GMT -5
well I was thinking about it a while back, a Chapter called the Sons of Thor ;D they could have blue armour, and white hands and helmet. They could be a newly found Chapter here in the Anargo Sector, perhaps only a few hundred years old? /me hopes he doesnt get any bad responces Edit - Removed so-called "l33t" speak. Hate that...
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Post by CELS on May 10, 2004 20:05:53 GMT -5
Parden my boldness everyone, but I'll just make this quick and to the point. It' already been discussed before, anyways. Several times. No! We will not be having another Chapter stationed in this sector. The odds for having a single chapter are low enough. The odds of having two chapters are microscopic on the point of non-existant. We will only have the one Chapter, and it will be the Frost Bringers. As it happens, this chapter also has blue and white armour.... PS: Of course, there is a possibility that other Astartes Chapters pop by once in a blue moon, as a part of a special quest or crusade. Anyone is free to make suggestions on this regard, as long as they have good arguments. I'm very, very sick of the one-line "How about..." posts.
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Post by Seamus on May 10, 2004 20:11:31 GMT -5
I'm very, very sick of the one-line "How about..." posts. well I thought this project involves "How about..." posts? isnt that a way to suggest new things to project? How about they are a newly found Chapter a couple of hundred years old.. say at the time of the Horus Heresy shot through the warp at a wrong destination... hey, not unheard of...
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Post by CELS on May 10, 2004 20:51:09 GMT -5
well I thought this project involves "How about..." posts? isnt that a way to suggest new things to project? It is, but we really need good, detailed concepts, and the "how about" posts only bring us so much closer to our goal. It wasn't really in direct reply to your post, Shamus, it was more of a reminder for future posts on this subject. I'm sorry to see it had no effect at all. Ah well... How about they are a newly found Chapter a couple of hundred years old.. say at the time of the Horus Heresy shot through the warp at a wrong destination... hey, not unheard of... I see you've chosen to completely ignore my argument about the odds of two Chapters being founded in the same sector... Fair enough.
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Post by Lordof on May 10, 2004 21:02:18 GMT -5
How about just having This Chpater as a Crusading forces which is near the Anargo Sector atm.
That way they can make an appearance in the fluff of this sector but they aren't actually a part of it.
It is possible that another Crusading force can appear close by another more stationary chapter
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Post by Seamus on May 10, 2004 22:43:41 GMT -5
is it possible for a Space Marine Chapter to have a temperary Home Planet? or a planet they are stationed on for the time being? I see you've chosen to completely ignore my argument about the odds of two Chapters being founded in the same sector... Fair enough. I can assure you CELS that I mean no disrespect, but I do not wish this to end so quickly... I would like to know more about this, as I find it very interesting, and hey, some of it might end up working anyhow
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Post by Kage2020 on May 11, 2004 6:00:42 GMT -5
I also remind Shamus of previous suggestions for a 'new' Chapter to be integrated without problems into the 'official' Anargo sector 'fluff': - The expeditionary force of the Rogue Trader which, sooner rather than later, will be showing up in the Anargo sector to 'deal' with the "Heart of Anargo" trans-sector travel problem.
- Related to a specific task force dealing with a specific phenomenon in the Anargo sector, e.g. Deathwatch dealing with a xenos threat, Grey Knights with the Alpha Legion problem (or one of the cults), Ultramarines with purported tension between them and Alpha Legion... etc., etc.
These would not require the Foundation or the temporary inclusion of another Chapter homeworld in the Anargo sector. The logic behind this? I cannot be bothered to do the calculation here, but if memory serves based upon a purely volume consideration of the Imperium (i.e. volume of a sphere of 70,000 light years in diameter) multipled by a certain percentage guestimated from that maintained withiin the main 'portion' of the galaxy (i.e. the ecliptic boundaries of gases) and divided by 8,000,000 (the volume of a sector), you got something like 10,000 sectors. There are, ish, 1,000 chapters which mean that each sector has a 10% chance of having a sector, a 1% chance of having a second chapter, a 1 in a 1,000 chance of having a third chapter, etc. Of course, the Imperium does not distribute adeptus astartes homeworlds by mere chance, rather placing them in areas where there is an obvious call. Despite the "Heart of Anargo" problem or the Ork Empire snarfle, there is no obvious reason to have more than on Chapter stationed in the Anargo Sector on a "permanent" or "semi-permanent" basis. Now, I understand that you don't wish to let the concept "die so quickly", so perhaps you could expand upon your ideas beyond a two line post? Say come up with a cohesive concept that not only describes them and their Foundation beyond ah "Ahuh, wouldn't it be cool if..." posts. And incidentally, I'm fairly sure that there is already a chapter with blue armour and white gauntlets/helmet. Hazy memory from back in the day when I actually paid attention to this kind of thing... Kage
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Post by Destecado on May 11, 2004 17:44:44 GMT -5
I have to agree that placing another entire chapter of space marines wthin the sector would be unfluffy and down right dangerous. Think about the fights documented in the fluff where loyal space marine chapter fights another loyal space marine chapter. The feud between the the Dark Angels and Space Wolves stands out prominently. Placing the home world of two chapters in the same sector is a receipe for disaster. I also question the color scheme and name of your new chapter. the Sons of Thor sounds like yet another norse based chapter idea. The Frost Bringers are already based off of norse mythology. they also have a color scheme similar to what you have suggested. Please do not take this to mean that I would not lie to see other space Marine units, not of the Frost Bringers opperating in the Sector. Any such "incurssions" just need to be handeled delicately. I previously posted an Index Astartes article for my own chapter in the Frost Wraiths thread. kagemat.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=Imperium&thread=1072541878&action=display&start=15This was done to hopefully stimulate discussion about the space marines which when I first joined the project seemed to be on a low ebb. It was also to give some ideas for the direction that the Frost Bringers might take. At this time I do not know if Skabbhatt has incorporated any of the ideas I have posted. If not, then perhaps a group of marines from this or a similar chapter could make an appearance in the Sector. The main point behind them is that they are xeno hunters. They rarely deploy as a full army, instead favoring actions that call for only a couple of units. They also sometimes go on what can be termed "Safari". They show up on a planet to hunt a legendary beast or show up in the middle of battle just for the shear joy of fighting. They have no real position in the Sector, but are more of a "useful nuisance". You could also have a units of Ultramarines or even Silver Skulls passing through. We are close to the Ultramarines area of opperation and the Frost Bringer are a successor chapter of the Silver Skulls, so they perhaps be well disposed to a visit or assistance from either of these chapters.
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Post by Seamus on May 11, 2004 20:46:20 GMT -5
ok.. ya'll wanted some reasons for another possible (heavy on the not side, but what the hey...) Space Marine chapter to be here are: - Sons of Thor created just after the Horus Heresy
- was sent to the area of space now know as the Anargo Sector after "creation"
- sent to the Anargo Sector to battle any Heretic Chapters (Alpha Legion, etc.)
- records of the data lost(data on memory crystals, so the data is too corupt to get the data needed
- Chapter remained Loyal from the time of its arrival, though thought abandoned, they remained there hunting/exterminating any taint of Chaos to try to cleanse their Chapter and its name
- the Sons of Thor did have a homeworld, but it could not have been the world their Primarch was found on (dead world) so they chose a world to make their own (Night Water World @ 72% water w/ underwater/ground cities/hives(planets gravity at 11.43g)
- Chapter utilises heavy support more and prefers to strike at night
hope to hear what ya'll would like to say
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Post by CELS on May 12, 2004 1:15:16 GMT -5
I agree with Destecado. I think it would be better to include chapters like Ultramarines and Silver Skulls, in addition to Grey Knights and Deathwatch, when they're needed. Right now, in 470.M41, the Anargo sector is relatively calm, actually. Perhaps in the future, when or if we introduce a Crusade, there will be room for more Space Marine chapters. Shamus, you're not actually providing reasons for another chapter to be in the Anargo sector. Rather, you're telling us about the background of your chapter. That's not the same thing. Btw, 11.43g Anyway, to be fair, Destecado did suggest another Chapter before you suggested the Sons of Thor. And in fact, I suggested yet another chapter before that That's not really the issue though. I think we're fine with just the Frost Bringers, and a few other Chapters stopping by the Anargo sector from time to time, for whatever reasons. (Ultramarines checking that their babies are following the Codex ) There are just too many arguments on the con- side, and not enough arguments on the pro-side.
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Post by Sikkukkut on May 12, 2004 1:39:40 GMT -5
Something I mentioned a while ago with the FBs' history, and plan to work into the IA when I do the second draft, was a clash between the Frost Bringers and one of the Black Templar crusades which passed through the Anargo Sector some time ago and tried to recruit from some of the worlds that are bound to the Frost Bringers by treaty and tradition. No reason why it should be the BTs, though - any wandering Chapter would do.
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Post by CELS on May 12, 2004 1:55:10 GMT -5
That is interesting indeed! I agree that the Black Templars might not be the best for the job, since they seem to be cruising the Segmentum Solar, and not go as far east as Anargo. I.e. they had a major presence on Armageddon in 999, which is north of Sol.
Hmm, any other famous Chapters with a similar method of recruiting?
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Post by Minister on May 12, 2004 4:27:07 GMT -5
The Dark Angels are equaly far away, the Fists are Solar concentrating and have a series of honour-bound worlds, the White Consuls are to the north-west...
If no ideas crop up in the next while I will conduct research.
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Post by ZoomDog on May 12, 2004 5:58:14 GMT -5
the Sons of Thor did have a homeworld, but it could not have been the world their Primarch was found on They had a Primarch? So you're saying the Sons of Thor are one of the 2 missing Legions? Aiming a bit high there Shamus. That is interesting indeed! I agree that the Black Templars might not be the best for the job, since they seem to be cruising the Segmentum Solar, and not go as far east as Anargo. The Black Templars have quite a few Crusades, there's no reason why one shouldn't be in the galactic east.
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Post by Sikkukkut on May 12, 2004 5:58:34 GMT -5
I agree that the Black Templars might not be the best for the job, since they seem to be cruising the Segmentum Solar, and not go as far east as Anargo. I.e. they had a major presence on Armageddon in 999, which is north of Sol. Two counterpoints: firstly, the Templars are not a single unified Chapter but are divided into numerous smaller crusades which travel about autonomously; second, I wasn;t planning on having this a part of the current Anargo continuity but a part of the FBs' history, which gives us a window of well over a thousand years to play with. With that said, it doesn't have to be the Templars at all, of course - they just struck me as a good Chapter to use because of their peripatetic nature and fierce pride. It's a gimme that they wouldn't back down when the Frost Bringers (whom I imagine as being rather haughty and territorial about Anargo) told them to bog off. But the real reason I brought this up is that the Sons of Thor or another Chapter of project participants' choosing could be brought in in place of the Templars easily enough, or even in addition to them. While the odds of having two Chapters based in the same sector have already been discussed, the odds of one rather prickly and hard-to-get-along-with Chapter clashing with a couple of others over the coure of two or three thousand years of history is not farfetched at all.
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