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Post by CELS on May 12, 2004 6:22:57 GMT -5
I'm aware of the background of the Black Templars, but I do find it a bit unlikely that they are stretched over the entire galaxy. That said, I would rather see Black Templars in Anargo than the Sons of Thor. No offense, Shamus, really. It's just that they're too similar to the Frost Bringers. And I want to see the presence of an official chapter, like Ultramarines, Silver Skulls, or perhaps Black Templars. Btw, did you mean Thor as in Thor with the hammer or Saint Sebastian Thor? The latter might be interesting, although I would picture them completely different from what you suggest. Instead preferring to attack in the dark with long range weapons, I'd see them being brave and honourable. Did Sebastian Thor hide in the shadows? Same goes for colour scheme. Instead of blue and white, it would be interesting with some proud and bright colours, like red, yellow or green (but not a combination of these, obviously ) But first we need to figure out why there would be other chapters in the Anargo sector. I personally see no reason for them to be called here in 470, except on their own initiative. Black Templars showing up makes sense, though I still think it's a long drive from Segmentum Solar....
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Post by Lordof on May 12, 2004 8:35:40 GMT -5
Could someone refresh my memory on Sebastion Thor?
Cause if its a Saint maybe you could change it into a Soriatas Order which would be cool as i don't think we have one yet. (Please correct me if i'm wrong)
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Post by Minister on May 12, 2004 9:41:17 GMT -5
There is either a Mission or Preceptory (depending on how people feel) of the Order of the Bloody Rose based off of Dorvastor.
Sebastan Thor is one of the primary Imperial Saints, he ended the Reign of Blood and reformed the Ecclesiarchy.
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Post by CELS on May 12, 2004 9:44:23 GMT -5
There is either a Mission or Preceptory (depending on how people feel) of the Order of the Bloody Rose based off of Dorvastor. Perhaps start a new thread about this? We must not neglect the Sisters!
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Post by ZoomDog on May 12, 2004 9:47:26 GMT -5
Perhaps start a new thread about this? We must not neglect the Sisters! You know the rules about 1 line posts CELS. This is your first strike. EDIT - Sorry, couldn't help myself. Needed some comic relief as my web server refuses to acknowledge that I have rights to my own directories, and has been doing so for the past 2 days. I say stick with the Black Templar Sikk. Their Crusades do spread across the galaxy to wherever they are needed, so the chances that one of them has passed through the general Anargo area in the past few thousand years isn't really that low. CELS' edit: It was actually two lines, with the quote ;DEdit my post will you? We'll just see about that! *Flexes muscles and gets ready to abuse moderator powers*
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Post by zholud on May 12, 2004 11:54:15 GMT -5
Taking to the notion that another Chapter is big no-no (and me being the main calculator on probability to have SM Chapter back on Portent) I suggest a decision that should/may placate all parties. Sons of Thor are just a company of the Frost Bringers, quite different from their ‘ordinary’ setting. Something akin to RavenWing and DeathWing for Dark Angels. Recalling that description of chapters is similar it may be the idea. But, Shanus, I beg you, do not over-play SM presence. No Primarchs, no 11g planets and plays with superman league, like GW often does. Remember that FB recruit on many world, so set up a world and make recruits from it different from average, but in subtle way, no strength 10, or eagle eyesight, but e.g. unusual glowing tattoos on absence of nail on little finger. And Sororitae are the must. Including Hospitaller and Dialogus ordos.
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Post by Seamus on May 12, 2004 19:21:58 GMT -5
so if the Sons of Thor end up just being some Company no1 has ever heard of in the Chapter here... will I still have some say on some of their stuff?
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Post by zholud on May 13, 2004 6:13:21 GMT -5
so if the Sons of Thor end up just being some Company no1 has ever heard of in the Chapter here... will I still have some say on some of their stuff? No one has heard about many aspects of the Frost Bringers, e.g. their detailed history and traits, so no problem. You will have more weight in the company variant suggested, but end-all are Kage and Skikkukkit.
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Post by Seamus on May 13, 2004 9:53:07 GMT -5
well I guess I can work with that... but I would still like some say
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Post by CELS on May 13, 2004 11:37:32 GMT -5
well I guess I can work with that... but I would still like some say Erm... Don't you think we should discuss this a bit more zholud and Shamus? From what I've read, I don't see how or why the Sons of Thor should be included as a First Company. Maybe I don't get a say on this, but that's my opinion. I think we should talk more about the Frost Bringers and see the IA article before we start assigning companies. Here's what I propose; If you have a good idea for one of the companies of the Frost Bringers (after reading the Index Astartes article of course), Shamus, then we will of course discuss letting you develop that company. Since we haven't really read the Index Astartes article yet, making it impossible to start planning the details of the chapter, I don't think we should get ahead of ourselves. We haven't really seen any ideas for the Sons of Thor as a company either, so I think it inappropriate to promise you that you'll have some say in it.
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Post by zholud on May 13, 2004 13:12:03 GMT -5
Don't you think we should discuss this a bit more zholud and Shamus? Of course we should. I just proposed the way from a deadlock that had to satisfy all participants. Even if they will be very different from FB, we can always separate them at later date. Making them different Chapter with limited temporary presence. From what I've read, I don't see how or why the Sons of Thor should be included as a First Company. Never as a First Company, it is too crucial part to take it from the main author of IA. And not 10th company as well. Something in the middle, maybe akin to ultramarines 3rd company which distinguished in fighting Tyranids. If you have a good idea for one of the companies of the Frost Bringers (after reading the Index Astartes article of course), Shamus, then we will of course discuss letting you develop that company. I fully support that idea. Shamus, you can and even should post your nice idea here, but keep them clear and not too above the average… show something that is amazing in your ideas, persuade us that they are worth an inclusion. Remember, we debated for months about only the very name of the Chapter. So, we will be overly critical because we need near perfect IA, which GW should beg as to give them, not just another SM force.
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Post by Seamus on May 13, 2004 18:05:23 GMT -5
ok so what Im getting from all this, is that I must first get you guys to say "Ok, that sounds interesting, I think we should go for it" before anything else will happen (if anything at all) with the Sons of Thor?
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Post by CELS on May 13, 2004 18:55:12 GMT -5
Yeah, zholud. I agree 100%! ok so what Im getting from all this, is that I must first get you guys to say "Ok, that sounds interesting, I think we should go for it" before anything else will happen (if anything at all) with the Sons of Thor? Yes, that is correct, Shamus. First you come up with an idea, and if we're all happy with it, it's all yours. Of course, Shamus, that is the way things work in the Anargo Sector Project. First someone suggests an idea, then the others let that person know if they like the idea, and if they do, the idea becomes a part of the project. You still haven't answered my question about the Sons of Thor by the way....
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Post by Seamus on May 13, 2004 19:23:31 GMT -5
ok well if you meant which Thor, I was talking about the Viking Thor... as in like Thor and Thor's Hammer Thor...
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Post by Tynesh on May 14, 2004 5:21:33 GMT -5
Isn't the chapter now centred around Inuwit mythology and not Norse mythology (as Space Puppies got their first?) You are going to have to work hard on the Space Marine Chapter fluff if you want stuff included. Sons of Thor....Chapters rarely named after a specific person, except second founding chapters with names from their Primarchs (RE Sons of Gullimann). Sons of... chapters already include Sons of Medusa and Sons of Gideon, both of these most likely being named after the planet on which they were founded. Cheers
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