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Post by Minister on Apr 19, 2004 17:20:13 GMT -5
Yep.
So, to recap, if I may, what I think is the opinion of the consensus.
One: There is an Inquisitor Lord Anargo, with ultimate responsibility for Inquisitorial happenings in the sector.
Two: There are three Inquisitor Ordo Lords (Xenos, Maleus, Hereticus) in Anargo, with the responsibility for those agents of their own Order.
Three: Most Inquisitors will be members of an Ordo, primarily because it provides better support, but also because experience will tend one towards a specialisation. However, there are a few who are not members, and who answer directly to the Inquisitor Lord Anargo.
Four: Below the Lords there is no ranking among the actual Inquisitors. All are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Five: There is no restriction on operating outside the sector. Protocol dictates that one should inform the relevant authorities, and you will raise more than a few eyebrows (not to mention tempers) if you start rampaging around like a bull in a china shop without telling the locals first.
Six: Any dedicated Inquisitor "Oficio of Internal Prosecution" or whatever will be on a higher-up basis, and will not be detailed in the project, assuming it exists at all. Inquisitors may bring charges against their fellows, presenting evidence before the Lords at a Conclave assembled to hear them. In the event of the accusations proving groundless, the Inquisitors' reputation will take a huge dent. In the event of the claims proving frivolous, he may be accused of the crime of incompetence, and thrown out of the order (and this plane of existence).
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 19, 2004 19:58:15 GMT -5
Good synopsis! But... ...However, there are a few who are not members, and who answer directly to the Inquisitor Lord Anargo... ...this requires an explanation. Kage
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Post by Minister on Apr 20, 2004 3:37:00 GMT -5
Three: Most Inquisitors will be members of an Ordo, primarily because it provides better support, but also because experience will tend one towards a specialisation. However, there are a few who are not members of one of the great Ordos, for whatever reason, and who answer directly to the Inquisitor Lord Anargo.
Covering those who feel that all threats to the Imperium are of equal merit, those who are paranoid enough to think that the Ordos are there to stop them finding out the Truth and those of minor Ordos.
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 20, 2004 12:06:55 GMT -5
Given the obvious divisions and the reasons for that, it seems a bit on the daft side to allow for non- ordo Inquisitors. Either they're all part of an ordo and it is 'teams/Chambers' that deal with cross-jurisdictional problems, or it would make more sense to simply use the non- ordo system that Sojourner (and myself) are fond of... I just don't see a reason for it other than trying to please everyone and creating something which is a bit more "wishy washy". Kage
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Post by CELS on Apr 20, 2004 13:11:43 GMT -5
I agree with Kage on this one. This creates a bunch of problems. I was previously keen on Minor Ordos that didn't belong to specific Major Ordos (Xenos, Hereticus, Malleus), but I realize this can be achieved by inter-ordo Ordos.... erm... For example, you could have Ordo Veritas Anargo, which deals with investigation of Imperial Military Intelligence in the Anargo sector. Since the Imperium fights both xenos and the occassional chaos, you'd have some Inquisitors from xenos and malleus as well as hereticus.
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 20, 2004 14:01:47 GMT -5
And that's where I would could that the Chamber veritas militares, or something. Though that sounds like "Military Truth" which is suggestive of propaganda... ah well. Kage
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Post by Tynesh on Apr 21, 2004 5:49:39 GMT -5
~~~~Tynesh clambers back out of the Abyss~~~~
Hey everyone!
You seem to have generated some really good ideas with regards to the organsistation. Keep it up.
Not sure what the problem with the no-ordo =][= is? In the Eisenhorn trilogy you have an =][= who is a member of the ordo xenos, yet encounters aliens all but one time in the first of the three novels. So this usggests that there are multi-discipline =][= in each ordo. So what is the matter with those who do not conform to one ordo and go it alon??
Just an idea on those who may answer directly to the Lord =][= Sector (whatever). There will be a number of =][= who are more academic in nature or are in charge of support functions. I see these people as being appointed by the Ordos head to run an office in a subsector, organise Stormtrooper training, facilitate coordination with Adeptus Terra in 'cleaning up' an incident site etc
Some =][= may have become little more than librarians trolling through reports made by their peers, researching texts for others, filing stuff and monitoring the sanctioned quill servitors in the data repositories.
These groups could answer direct to sector head, and liase with anyone who needs their expertise or equipment or services.
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Post by Minister on Apr 21, 2004 7:55:01 GMT -5
I would agree on that, but I would also say that there are a good many back-line Inquisitors who are members of the Ordos rather than do-anything types.
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Post by CELS on Apr 21, 2004 7:59:45 GMT -5
I don't think anyone had a problem with an Inquisitor of either Ordo exceeding his duty, such as Eisenhorn did when he started investigating chaos-related stuff. In fact, it's probably close to impossible to always stay within your own "field", since an Hereticus Inquisitor is bound to stumble across chaos cults or xenos sooner or later. So the problem was really with the idea that some Inquisitors don't belong to any Ordo at all. But we've cleared that out now. Yes, there would be Inquisitors who don't have really operative assignments, but rather work in Inquisitorial installations, libraries, etc. These would still be member of one Ordo or another though, even if their job description is broader than the "jurisdiction" of each Ordo. A horrible way to explain it, but there you go
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Post by Minister on Apr 21, 2004 9:32:49 GMT -5
On overstepping juristiction, I would put it down as, taking Maleus for example, only being sent out to situations where your speciality would be needed, but trying to deal with anything not connected to it which turns up during the opperation.
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Post by CELS on May 15, 2004 12:55:57 GMT -5
This might be too little, too late, but here's a quote from the Inquisitor rulebook.
"Inquisitors who belong in one of the Ordos may have access to equipment specialised to their task..." page 97
I know that we said all Inquisitors belong in one of the Big Three, and I'm fine with that, but... I just figured I'd post this anyway, just for the hell of it ;D
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Post by Sojourner on Jun 2, 2004 10:18:50 GMT -5
With the non-Ordo thing, I'm referring back to 2nd ed Codex Imperialis which implied that the Ordo was in fact a special construct and that most Inquisitors operated alone or in small groups called Cells. The Ordo Malleus was a particular, and very large, Cell composed of those seriously bad-ass Inquisitors with a penchant for fighting daemons. Most Inquisitors were nothing like as mentally or physically powerful as those belonging to the Ordo Malleus. In essence, the Ordo Malleus were the Inquisitor's Inquisitors, the best of the best of the best and considered to be the Imperium's ultimate agents.
I still don't like the idea of a rigid chain of command, either. I don't believe that there would be any basis for promoting one individual over another in an organisation where every member's power is, by default, unlimited. You answer to the Master of the Inquisition and nobody else - there is no intermediate command structure. When you have such big issues requiring individual action on a very personal scale, a hierarchy would just get in the way.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 3, 2004 0:45:48 GMT -5
And back in 1E days it was different again... The point being that we try and integrate this as much as possible. So there still seems to be some discussion... Let's use some of the older words. so instead of 'cell' lets use 'chamber'. Not only was this used in reference to the original 'fluff' on the ordo malleus but it reminds me of several 'conspiracy/sodality films out there. And 'cells' reminds me of 'CELS'... I'm wary about taking the step that Sojourner suggests and which I actually prefer (i.e. I have the ordo internus and the ordo externus, these being general 'orders' to which the chambers are off-shoots), but this would jar with what is an important perception of the 40k universe. Okay, we've done that in some regards, but with the publication of Inquisitor such that everyone can now be an 'expert' on one limited aspect of the Imperium, monkeying around with it has the hint of unbroken voices screeching of incorrectness... (Of course, for me those of the ordo externus are more usually found in the ordo's mentioned - hereticus, malleus, xenos, etc. - with specific combinations forming chambers. The ordo internus is more the 'wandering' Inquisitor that Sojourner (and again myself) favours... But again, that's a radical step to change on everyone's favourite little skirmish wargame/'fluff'...) Kage
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Post by Dazo on Jul 7, 2004 10:10:48 GMT -5
Ordo internus, Ordo externus? I'm not understanding this, are you suggesting a further break up of the ordo's into sub ordo's with some going off to fight the bad guys and some staying at home or to put it another way, some that deal with threats from outside and some that deal with internal issues. I didn't think inquisitors were ever particularly tied to one place and were free to wander where ever their heresy hunting took them, except the inquisitor lords who have a duty to the sector assigned them You can't dilute the inquisition to far or else you will start stepping on other institutions turf eg the arbites and the commisariate
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Post by Sojourner on Jul 7, 2004 10:26:56 GMT -5
I'd treat that as Kage-blah...
I *think* he means those Inquisitors who act as part of large bodies (Hereticus, Xenos, Malleus - Internus) and those who act pretty much on their own (Externus)
I could be wrong though. Asking him may be challenging as he hasn't been around much lately as far as I can see.
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