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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 16, 2004 15:27:21 GMT -5
We're supposed to be M39, right? Oh, crap. I'd thought that had been kicked in the teeth as a daft idea... Must address that in another thread however. Kage
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Post by Sojourner on Apr 16, 2004 16:23:20 GMT -5
Perhaps with the looming presence of Abbadon and his insistent rapping on the Cadian Gate, as it were, the Malleus have become somewhat more forward and aggressive in their policies, knowing that there are going to be a lot of daemons to face...
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Post by CELS on Apr 18, 2004 8:39:00 GMT -5
You would think that they'd have the same reaction, then, when Angron attacked Armageddon. But this is something we shall discuss further when the date of the project is set.
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Post by Minister on Apr 18, 2004 9:57:26 GMT -5
Unless Armageddon was an unusual event rather than the norm, one where a Maleus man of the old school was able to convince the Administratum to act with full vindictivness before cooler-headed Inquisitors could set up a more reasonable response (a more limited purge of those likley to be tainted) or even that, as this was a daemon-based invasion rather than mortal-based, that it was concidered even more dangerous than normal.
It could also be concidered a response to the extremley high numbers of citizens who declared for Chaos, forming the millions of cult troopers Angron called upon.
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 19, 2004 7:17:17 GMT -5
So, getting back to the idea of a 'structure' for the Inquisition that is based in the 'fluff' as much as possible... We shall work on the presupposition that since the Inquisition is like the Imperium in that it has lasted for ten millennia (or thereabouts) it did so through something other than semi-organised anarchy. Given that the Imperium is divided into segmentae, sectors and subsectors, would it be reasonable to suggest that there is a political and judicial organisation of the Imperium and it's organisations? Kage
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Post by Minister on Apr 19, 2004 8:02:53 GMT -5
I would think that the Inquisition would work primarily at sector level, more for convenience than anything else. THis is backed up by the Eisenhorn trilogy, which is one of the few books to give any organisational detail (even if the author is not the most reliable on such).
I do not think that there would be a sub-sector organisation, though. There's only so much going on.
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Post by CELS on Apr 19, 2004 9:04:41 GMT -5
I agree with Minister, except I'm not so sure about subsectors. I would argue that a lot happens on a subsector-level. Not a lot of actual major episodes such as rebellion, worldwide chaos cults, xenos infestations, etc, but certainly a lot of investigation. I think a lot of work by Inquisitors is unseen and unheard by the general populace. They only rarely come crashing down with shining Inquisitorial shuttles, flashing their badges and waving their hammers. More often, the world's minister of this and that disappears in relative silence, the odd building is quaranteened and burned by the Arbites who don't really know anything, except that someone with a high security clearance ordered it. It's not all running around with untouchables, daemon-hosts, chasing titans, five legged aliens and rogue inquisitors Just how it is organised is up for grabs though. Maybe some sort of council for each subsector, instead of just a Lord-Inquisitor? But then, some sub-sectors have two Imperial systems, where others have twenty...
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 19, 2004 9:04:51 GMT -5
So perhaps a structure could be suggested? Or is it merely the upper echelons that we are concerned with? The "Lord Inquisitor (sector)" is an elected position, primarily one that is administrative and results that s/he is the "first one against the wall come the revolution"... Beneath him/her are the "Lord Inquisitors ( ordo)" who form a - what? - advisory council as well as dealing with the machinations of their own ordo (both beneath them and 'above them' at the trans-sector level)? They're also the individuals that tend to be elevated to the rank of "Lord Inquisitor (sector)" when that revolution (just kidding) comes? Is this the sole portion of 'structure' from which we move into the semi-anarchic approach of Sojourner, though moderated by the ordo system? Do senior Inquisitors (experience, ability; consensus) have more 'influence' over junior inquisitors? Do you tend to get the approach where 'junior' inquisitors are 'assigned' to individual worlds and become 'local experts'? Etc... Kage
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Post by CELS on Apr 19, 2004 9:09:12 GMT -5
The authority of senior Inquisitors comes very naturally, I think, and not through organisation and rank. But then, I imagine that it's quite rare that an Inquisitor would try to use his authority over other Inquisitors. They work very independently, so it's not like Inquisitor Eisenhorn goes and order everybody around just because he's a celebrity. Likewise, even if Eisenhorn is a senior Inquisitor, he has no authority over the most junior Inquisitor who wants to investigate Eisenhorn for heresy and daemoncraft.
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 19, 2004 9:16:16 GMT -5
So, yes, I was right. Or Minister's original point extends forwards... Oh who cares! The sector-level of organisation is the "smallest unit" of Inquisitorial organisation, beneath which it becomes semi-anarchic. This is where Sojourner's concept of the ordo becomes useful, though in this case I would suggest that borrowing the original term 'Chamber' from the ordo malleus 'fluff' as being useful to represent these transient pan-jurisdictional groups. But what about the extension beyond the sector? What happens to an Inquisitor moving out of the Anargo sector, for example, and into the Cruciatine sector? Kage
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Post by Minister on Apr 19, 2004 11:44:18 GMT -5
I do.
Anyway, I would say that the sub-sector does not have a permanant structure, although there will be plenty of Inquisitors and their staffs (and agents of Inquisitor Lords) who are asigned to a sub-sector on a permanant or semi-permanant basis.
As for bossing around other Inquisitors, there are two ways to do it. Number one is to go to the Lord and ask for him to alocate you Inquisitors to asist with a task (purging a particularly annoying cult, for example), and have him/her (from now on I'm marking it as him) give you overall command of the operation.
Number two is to contact other Inquisitors and convince them to help you in person.
Neither of these is guaranteed to work, but a more senior Inquisitor will have greater status among his fellows and have more favours to cash in.
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 19, 2004 12:04:19 GMT -5
Yep... Although again the semi-official recognition of cross-jurisdictional endeavours is something that would be interesting to include. And, of course, the question of the interaction of the various sectors themselves needs to be addressed... and how that relates between sectors of varying levels of importance up to and including the segmentum capital sector... Kage
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Post by Sojourner on Apr 19, 2004 13:09:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't put it so strongly as 'allocate'
'Lend the weight of opinion' perhaps. You're not so much 'ordered' to do so as told "This is in everyone's best interests. Except perhaps yours. But you are the unfortunate minority here."
What I'm getting at is that even the most senior Inquisitor has no Emperor-given right to order the others around. Hence they generally don't, for worry of the other getting a bit narked off and saying "STFU". 'Lord' could follow this up with an accusation of heresy or whatever, but he'd better have a really good case for grassing a subordinate on the grounds of 'he wouldn't play fair'
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Post by CELS on Apr 19, 2004 13:28:40 GMT -5
Indeed, Sojourner. Indeed. Of course, if a Senior Inquisitor informs his colleagues of a world-wide chaos cult in another subsector, but doesn't have time to fly over himself, the problem of people telling you to "STFU" should be a rare one.
As for the problem of an Inquisitor bringing his business into other sectors (I.e. an Ordos Anargo Inquisitor tracking his arch-nemesis to the Cruciatine sector), that shouldn't be a problem at all. But this is something we've been over already in this thread. As I said before, this should be fine, as long as the Inquisitor informs the local Ordos of his presence, in so far as possible. The locals might be iffy if a "foreign" Inquisitors suddenly appears and starts ordering regiments of Stormtroopers and Space Marines around, without telling what it's all about.
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 19, 2004 15:19:48 GMT -5
I think the important thing to remember here is that the Inquisitors have their own internal politics based around the factions and, just as important (perhaps more so), relationships. We also now seem to be arguing the same point... Kage
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