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Post by Jeremire on Mar 10, 2004 14:43:09 GMT -5
Hi, As you can see, I'm new here, but after I clicked Minister's link off Exterminatus.net, I joined.
So here is m question:
How much roughly Inquisitorial presence is there in the sector?
You see, if there was some, I figured if it's all right with the creators and so forth, I could write some Background for the main Lord-Inquisitors in the sector..
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Post by zholud on Mar 10, 2004 16:38:20 GMT -5
Hi, As you can see, I'm new here, but after I clicked Minister's link off Exterminatus.net, I joined. .. First of all warm welcomes to you. You may go in ‘General Discussion’ and introduce yourself fully. This is not necessary, but it is advisable to show your strong points and interests. How much roughly Inquisitorial presence is there in the sector? Anargo is average sub-sector so they have average presence. If you believe to Abnett in this subject this means between 100 and 200 Inquisitors active, as well as Lords (sic!) and even Master Inquisitor. You see, if there was some, I figured if it's all right with the creators and so forth, I could write some Background for the main Lord-Inquisitors in the sector. Post the ideas, so that we could see what you’re after. It is very fascinating to see some nice biographies.
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Post by Minister on Mar 10, 2004 19:23:59 GMT -5
See? Advertising works...
Anyway, I'm sure that there's a relevant discussion in our archive somewhere, but the basic idea seems to be a Sector Lord, three Ordo Lords, their minions and operatives and then a large number of servants.
In terms of individual actions on the scale of an Inquisitor campaign, we can fit in as many as you want (within reason) as long as they're not all clustered in late M41 and they don't get too OTT.
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Post by Tynesh on Mar 24, 2004 14:22:11 GMT -5
I have already spent many an hour cogitating the organisation of the mysterious Ordos of the Anargo Sector. In time I shall share my musings in form of essay and dispatch. If anyone has any ideas for Inquisitors and their operations, as well as ancillary personnel, locations of bases, offices, customs traditions etc, I will be interested to hear of them. Has anyone already initiated such a thread, if so I have not yet located it. Are there any other =][= mentioned in peoples writings???
"I shall hunt for the truth and eliminated all falsehoods"
Attributed to Master Lord Inquisitor Tuomas Emmettius Ordos Anargo
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Post by Skabbhatt on Mar 24, 2004 15:24:15 GMT -5
Well I would suggest Inquisitor Nataliya Yakovna, the Inquisitor I, or rather Eichmann, wrote about here: But please note it's written by a lovestricken poet. "Faith needs action."
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Post by CELS on Mar 24, 2004 16:06:49 GMT -5
I think naming each of the individual Inquisitors in the Anargo sector would be a bad idea, because there are going to be lots and lots of them, and we want to leave it open for everyone to use the Anargo sector as a setting for their Inquisitor. What we should do is detail some of the most prominent cells and Inquisitorial members, and the Ordo Anargo. Cells, I hear some of you relative newbies ask? Yes, cells. In the old fluff (as in 2nd Edition ), Inquisitors often worked in cells. A handful of Inquisitors pooling together their resources for a common objective. My modest piece of fiction in the Fiction forum features the Chimera cell of Ordo Malleus, which I would like to see in Anargo, for example. We should also detail the Lord-Inquisitor of the Ordo Anargo, since he'll be an important character. The Ordo Anargo has great potential as the dominating Inquisitorial force of Anargo. Granted, Inquisitors are masters unto their own, but there should still be a Lord-Inquisitor who commands great respect and authority even amongst other Inquisitors. He'd probably be the one sending puritan Inquisitors to survey or kill radical Inquisitors when they get out of hand. The Ordo Anargo should probably have its own philosophical approach... maybe Thorian, since the sector had some strong Thorian followers during the Age of Apostasy? There could be other Ordos as well, and it would be cool to set up a handful of Ordos, each with their own philosophies and history...
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 24, 2004 19:39:45 GMT -5
Perhaps we should also consider the structure of the Inquisitor on something other than the generic level of that GW tends to do...? What is the level of organisation at a level lower than the Imperium? How does it relate to the segmentum level? The sector or sub-sector level? How much should we as a distinct project take this...? Kage
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Post by CELS on Mar 25, 2004 4:58:21 GMT -5
Ugh.... I'd say that there are three major Ordos that are everywhere in the Imperium. Four if you count the Ordo Hydra, which I don't, because I hate the whole concept of the Hydra. Under these, there are other minor Ordos, which are basically all shapes and sizes. I don't see the Inquisition being so strictly organized that a hierarchy like that for the Administratum or Ministorum would be appropriate. Under each Ordo, there's the individual Inquisitors or cells of Inquisitors.
I don't feel the need to go into more detail than that, nor to invent a more detailed hierarchy which will probably become something that GW did not have in mind for the Inquisition, and that is really quite unecessary anyway.
Just my 10 øre. If someone feels the need to work up a suggestion for the Inquisition's organisation, feel free. I shall watch with a wary and critical eye.
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Post by Tynesh on Mar 25, 2004 9:33:46 GMT -5
I like the idea of cells...erm CELS So at the head of the Ordo Anargo we have... Grand Master ______ of the Ordo Anargo Then the three main Ordos headed by Master Inquisitor ______ Ordo Xenos Master Inquisitor ______ Ordo Hereticus Master Inquisitor ______ Ordo Malleus Veteran and renowned members of each order may be known as Lord Inquisitors; these individuals may often lead a cell of fellow Inquisitors in an investigation. The main body of the Ordo Anargo is comprised of Inquisitors, as well as the Interrogators under supervision of suitably experienced Inquisitors. Each Inquisitor may have none or several Interrogators at one time. The main offices and Seat of the Ordo High Council is located in the Imperial City on Anargo Prime. The facility provides meeting rooms, logistical support and clerical staff to support the field operatives. The subterranean levels incorporate the vast Anargo Inquisitorial Archives as well as detention facilites and interregation cells. Regional offices are located on several other important sub-sector worlds and field outposts and bases are also known to exist. Estates, safehouses and small-holdings belonging to field operatives are only known to high level clerical staff. A small and select military force is stationed on Anargo, principally comprised of Inquisitorial sanctioned Stormtroopers trained at The Academy.
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Post by CELS on Mar 25, 2004 10:06:06 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about the titles there, Tynesh. The highest I've seen for an Inquisitor, is Lord-Inquisitor. The reason being, I suppose, that Inquisitors are pretty much masters unto their own anyway, so an Inquisitor doesn't need to give a damn about what the head of his Ordo or Cell means, if he doesn't want to. Of course, Inquisitors who think like that tend to get in trouble, and meet the wrong end of a flamer. So, instead of having a Master of Ordo Xenos Anargo, we could have an Ordo Infernus (a name off the top of my head), which deals with xenos in the Anargo and Cruciatine sector, for example. Most Inquisitors in these sectors dealing with xenos would be a member of this Ordo, but some Inquisitors might not. Such as especially radical xenophile Inquisitors, for example Each Ordo would have a Lord-Inquisitor as its master. Cells could have either an Inquisitor or a Lord-Inquisitor as their leader. How does that sound?
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 25, 2004 18:21:35 GMT -5
The "Grand Master" of the Inquisition is the highest rank available for the entire thing... so CELS is right in that one, at least! Kage
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Post by Tynesh on Mar 26, 2004 3:47:09 GMT -5
Ok then, it is the Eisenhorn trilogy at blame then.... ...the head of the Sector is Grand Master Orsini Inquisitor Rorken is Master of the Ordo Xenos
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 26, 2004 5:30:29 GMT -5
LOL... I'd forgotten about that. It's been ages since I've read a BL novel, being dragged away by informative writing of factual books or just plain good writing of non-BL novels! With regards to the various ordo, that goes without question that they will be present. But I will more than likely make allusions to another ordo. The power and purpose of the original ordo malleus is something that I saw as quintessential to the feeling of the Inquisition in 40k... at the moment they are powerful FBI or CIA agents. Nothing more and I feel it would be nice to have them back again... in secret, alluded to only and not completely fossilised even though members of the project might have a greater idea of what they are... Of course, that kind of defeats one purpose of the project but there we go... Kage
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Post by Tynesh on Mar 26, 2004 9:42:22 GMT -5
Indeed Kage, before Codex deamonhunters came out they were viewed as the shadowy shadowy =][='s. Out of all the Ordos they were the most secretive and feared. Now they are (in GW own words)
"Shining Paladins of Virtue"
Whereas Ordo Hereticus are to become the more nasty =][=s
The Ordo Malleus should definitely be the smallest and most dark of the three in sector, not just because there is less chaotic influence, but also due to the way they should operate, unseen and unnoticed. The Malleus were originally an Ordo to "watch the watchers" and police the entire inquisition, however they now are concerned with destroying the daemon and in very open terms.
- Guardsmen fighting chaos "Aaaargh what is that thing???!!!" =][= "A lesser daemon of the chaos gods summoned into this realm by those with no regards for the purity and righteous light of the Emperor's benevolence, bu fear not I shall smite it with my anointed hammer!" THWACK Guardsmen "Wow you saved us, lets kill the rest of them"
Earlier versions may have been more like "Wow that =][= just saved me from that bizzare monster but why is he pointing that bolt gun at my head?" BANG!
Daemons should be unknown to nearly all of humanity, even IG commanders and planetary governors. In early 40k Space marines even had their minds scrubbed after fighting the denizens of the warp. Now every bootsrap bill knows the difference between a bloodletter and a bloodthirster!
Hereticus agents should be the blunt and open agents. Hunt down the witch with lots of troops making a big scene and lots of noise to a planets population.
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Post by CELS on Mar 26, 2004 13:26:33 GMT -5
So what do we do, then? Do we go with Abnett's ranking system? Or do we find a compromise, and say that the head of the Inquisition in Anargo bears the title of Master? Keep in mind though, that the title Lord-Inquisitor is very rare. Eisenhorn, Grünvald and Czevak are all "just" Inquisitors, even if they're pretty well respected and famous.
On the matter of Ordo Malleus, I agree that we should restore this Ordo's former position as a secret and sinister organisation. Watcher of watchdogs.
I guess one way to do this, is to keep most Inquisitors in Anargo that are concerned with chaos and daemons outside the Ordo Malleus, either in other Ordos or in no Ordo at all, and then restrict the Ordo Malleus somewhat, with its members mostly concerned with watching other Inquisitors for corruption.
I don't think we should generalize the approach of the Ordo Hereticus as brutal and straight-forward though, with Redemptionists and Stormtroopers all over the place. Some Inqusitors prefer that way, others prefer more discreet methods, or even more brutal methods (arco-flagellants ;D )
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