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Post by Rogue Trader on Feb 23, 2004 18:06:00 GMT -5
So what exactly is 'the whole show'? "The whole show" is basically what you mentioned; halberds, halos, space marine helmets, scrolls, crowns, cogs, laurels. I do have one quibble though; I'm not overly fond of having Space Marine helmets in the crest, I would prefer it to be the chapter badge instead. The reason for this is that SM helmets are a pain to draw... in any case what MK would it be?
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Post by CELS on Feb 23, 2004 18:37:26 GMT -5
*deeep sigh* Rogue Trader, the reason I asked you or Kage to decide on a crest was because we had so many suggestions about what was going on the crest. Obviously, the crest will look too crowded with halberds, crowns, scrolls, helmets, laurels, cogs and halos, so I was asking if someone could just pick a simple motif... to which you replied there was a general consensus As for the Space Marine helmet, I'm not very keen on that, so you can drop it for all I care. All I ask is that you use a lot of red, and blue and white.
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Post by Minister on Feb 23, 2004 18:49:06 GMT -5
Personaly, I'm not too keen on having Merines in the design either...
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Post by Rogue Trader on Feb 24, 2004 7:29:24 GMT -5
*deeep sigh* Rogue Trader, the reason I asked you or Kage to decide on a crest was because we had so many suggestions about what was going on the crest. Obviously, the crest will look too crowded with halberds, crowns, scrolls, helmets, laurels, cogs and halos, so I was asking if someone could just pick a simple motif... to which you replied there was a general consensus As for the Space Marine helmet, I'm not very keen on that, so you can drop it for all I care. All I ask is that you use a lot of red, and blue and white. Heh heh, seems I'm spreading confusion all over the place... Anyway, before I open my mouth and mislead more people I'll post some pictures so you can get an idea of what I mean.
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Post by zholud on Feb 24, 2004 12:59:47 GMT -5
I will give you vector picture of Marine's helm if you ask
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Post by ZarkTheDamned on Feb 24, 2004 13:44:02 GMT -5
Good to see the discussion getting back on track.
Apologoes for my recent absence, but work's been keeping me busy lately.
Anyway, I'll try get a better crest with the colours done later tonight, progress from there.
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Post by ZarkTheDamned on Feb 24, 2004 16:56:59 GMT -5
OK, Here you go: Still needs some fancy symbols in the middle of the shield, and a new quote on the scroll, but at least it's progress. Personally, I'd avoid adding Space Marine stuff to the crest, as it should represent the Imperial Lords in Anargo, and the Marines are a seperate entity who happen to be there. The Navy, IG Regiments, other worlds/systems would have their own crests, but this is the crest of Lord Anargo. Maybe a small system map or something for the symbol on the shield?
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Post by CELS on Feb 24, 2004 17:49:18 GMT -5
Wow, Zark, I must say I'm impressed. I like this one a hundred times more than the previous ones! Obviously, Rogue Trader will still draw one on paper, but I'm thinking we can use this as a logo on the website, and also make a simpler icon of this crest that appears on the top and/or bottom of every page, among other things.
Whaddya say?
Again, good work.
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Post by Minister on Feb 24, 2004 20:13:52 GMT -5
Nice!
Although an emblem on the shield would be nice, perhaps quarter it blue/white and maybee add an image of Anargo itself over the top?
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Post by Rogue Trader on Feb 25, 2004 8:26:41 GMT -5
Very nice Zark! BTW on the subject of motto I'm going for either "In hoc signo vinces" (In this sign you will conquer) or "Ad Astra Per Aspera" (To the stars through difficulties), I know these were my suggestions but I really like the second one...
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Post by zholud on Feb 25, 2004 13:04:32 GMT -5
Personally, I'd avoid adding Space Marine stuff to the crest, as it should represent the Imperial Lords in Anargo, and the Marines are a seperate entity who happen to be there. My insistence on the SM helms is two-fold: (1) this is stylish for medieval shields to add crowns or helms to the crest and (2) SM are the most heavily promoted thing of 40k, so if we try to imitate GW, but with making our copy better than original we still have to stick to rules… the picture is great, I guess we’ll add other crests of sub-sectors on wings one day, right? And central shield will contain Anargo system crest, while own general Anargo crest will be small one at the bottom.
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Post by CELS on Feb 25, 2004 14:12:22 GMT -5
For the motto... Ad Astra Per Aspera is good, but not great, IMO. How about we make it darker or more dramatic? Ad Astra Per Sacrificium? (Sacrifice) Ad Astra Per Triumphus / Victoria? (Victory) Ad Astra Per Fidelitas / Pietas? (Faith) "In hoc signo vinces" is supercool, but it's too famous a quote... Using Space Marine helmets would be in keeping with the medieval thing, since helmets are typical symbols, dating back to the ancient greeks if not longer. Still, the high-tech-ness of a Space Marine helmet doesn't quite go with the eagle and halberds... That, and where would we put it? It'd just look out of place above or below the eagle, IMO. And as a final argument, the Frost Wraiths are not a big part of the Anargo identity (unlike the Ultramarines for Ultramar or the Salamanders for their homeworld), since they're far away from any subsector and since their homeworld is even in the neighbouring sector sometimes. That, and IIRC, we agreed that the Frost Wraiths would have a rathere unpopular method of recruiting. Such as kicking down doors and dragging young boys screaming into the darkness of the night... ;D (No gay jokes, please) I'm not going to oppose the SM helmet 100% though, so if I see something nice, I just might approve
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Post by ZarkTheDamned on Feb 25, 2004 14:21:58 GMT -5
Maybe a small, stylised SM Helmet, like a Knight's helm (think old pattern Power Armour), sitting at the top of the shield, between the heads.
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Post by CELS on Feb 25, 2004 15:04:05 GMT -5
Yes, maybe... I don't know which Mk it is, but one of the helmets looks like a real medieval helmet. Some of the Khorne berzerker models have it, it's the helmets that have only a narrow slit for eyes and mouth, if you know what I mean...
But then, the Frost Wraiths were founded long after such helmets were used by the Astartes. The oldest armour variants available to the Frost Wraiths would be the beakie helmets, I believe...
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Post by Rogue Trader on Feb 25, 2004 15:04:44 GMT -5
For the motto... Ad Astra Per Aspera is good, but not great, IMO. How about we make it darker or more dramatic? Ad Astra Per Sacrificium? (Sacrifice) Ad Astra Per Triumphus / Victoria? (Victory) Ad Astra Per Fidelitas / Pietas? (Faith) "In hoc signo vinces" is supercool, but it's too famous a quote... Good suggestions there, I actually quite like Ad Astra Per Fidelitas, very fitting for this sector in particular...
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