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Post by Kage2020 on May 4, 2004 8:37:17 GMT -5
Just wondering... If their home base is a rogue planet floating in deep space between systems, how do returning ships find it? I have a vague recollection that ships know where to exit from the warp because huge masses (ie stars) leave an impression in the warp. Eg, a ship flies through the warp, knows it's heading in the right direction, and sees a giant mass. That is indeed the pickle... One could, however, point out that any origin in real-space has an analogous position in warp space (A and A', respectively) and this holds true for destination (B and B'). If A and B are known and, of course A', the position of B' can be approximated. Specific positional information can be determined by low-level psyker beacon, possible. Of course, things could get really nasty when we think about the relative speeds of origin and destination point and conservation of momentum... but that's one of those points that we really wouldn't want to think too much about! Oh, and Sikkukkut just said that... Must read the other posts before replying... Kage
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Post by Sikkukkut on May 4, 2004 10:08:01 GMT -5
And the practical issues of actually getting Adliden if you don't know what to look for actually form one of the FBs' most potent defences. They're able to defend their fortress-monastery fiercely if they have to, of course, but their first line of defence is that fact that it would be next to impossible for anyone else to find (I tend to think the Craftworlds use the same principle).
This is also why they're so paranoid about people being able to track their movements, as you would be too if your secret lair was out towards a sector as f-- as screwed up as Cruciatine.
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Post by CELS on May 4, 2004 10:11:27 GMT -5
Erm... I've heard mention of the Frost Bringers' homeworld being in or near the Cruciatine sector for a while now... and I seem to remember that it's trajectory made it go back and forth between sectors at one point.
Just to clarify though; where is the rogue planet now, what is its trajectory, and when will it leave or enter the Anargo sector?
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Post by Kage2020 on May 5, 2004 18:18:58 GMT -5
I would be extremely surprised if the Frostbringer's homeworld varied from Cruciatine to Anargo. I think that you mighyt be confusing this with the concept of the Pendulum Tide, at least based upon a reasonable interpretation of physics... Erm, with the caveat that we're not reading that much into modern physics as definition of the concepts of Anargo! Kage
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Post by zholud on May 6, 2004 12:02:03 GMT -5
The Chapter only has an average-size Librarium, but takes in numbers of Astropaths by treaty with the Adeptus Astra Telepathica in Anargo. They maintain a beacon-choir on Adliden, but it doesn't run all the time and is carefully modulated to be very hard to detect unless you're a perceptive psyker or Navigator who knows exactly what you're looking for. The idea is right, despite I’d prefer warp artefact with very specific resonance in line of classical fairy tales spoons or stuff like that given to twins/lovers and one of the artefacts gets black/dull if keeper of other is in trouble. Only ones, who know where and on what to look may find the resonance.
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Post by Kage2020 on May 6, 2004 13:17:19 GMT -5
Twin astropaths? That would be one way around the problem rather than leading to an artefact argument. Although, to be fair, that would also be consistent with the Principle of Contagion that often operates in 'magic systems': Once Together, Always Together. Kage
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Post by Destecado on May 6, 2004 15:53:03 GMT -5
From the way it is being described, it sounds like a world that had reached escape velocity from its home system. If that is the case, you would need to consider what effects the additional speed would have on the gravity of the planet or on its magnetic field.
As I've stated earlier, there can be accretion of planets outside of a solar system. Many are found within solar clusters that have formed out of nebulas. Some of the dust and other materials instead of being drawn into the accretion discs of the forming stars itself formed into a planetary body.
You may wish to consider a world of this type. There are 2 such worlds located within the Sargasso Sub-Sector. Situating the chapter within the cursed sub-sector would have several benefits.
1. It adds a second layer of protection. No one Imperial should be in this area of space, so anyone approaching the planet may be thought an enemy and destroyed.
2. Though the system has no star, it would be far easier for ships of the chapter to jump to. By calculating its possition relative to surrounding stellar bodies and then accounting for stellar drift, you could make a close approximation of its location without the need for high powered telescopes.
3. With no sun or other body surrounding the planet, there would be no tidal stresses. This means that the planet would probably be less techtonically active. (this of course would be true of a rogue planet as well).
4. You don't need to worry so much about carrening into another solar system or passing through other stellar masses like nebulas or gas clouds. With no directional thrusters to move the planet, you are pretty much at the mercy of the planets original inertia.
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Post by Kage2020 on May 7, 2004 7:21:28 GMT -5
I believe that the Frostbringer's Chapter homeworld is quite clearly located nearer to the Castellan subsector. Furthermore, some of the concepts that you mention are somewhat surprising to me given the original description of the Sargassos phenomenon. Suffice to say based upon the orignal premise of the location of the Chapter, let it stay away from Sargassos. Kage
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Post by Destecado on May 7, 2004 9:10:33 GMT -5
I believe that the Frostbringer's Chapter homeworld is quite clearly located nearer to the Castellan subsector. Furthermore, some of the concepts that you mention are somewhat surprising to me given the original description of the Sargassos phenomenon. Suffice to say based upon the orignal premise of the location of the Chapter, let it stay away from Sargassos. I'll have to take you word for it since we have yet to see the Index Astartes writeup of the chapter. I was merely trying to point out that the rougue planet idea has som problems. If there are any "lost" worlds in the Castellan Sub-Sector as there are in the Sargassos Sub-Sector, you may want to consider one of those as the home world. Kage[/quote]
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Post by Kage2020 on May 8, 2004 9:43:45 GMT -5
There are some 'rogue planetoids' in the Castellan and, indeed, in the surrounding space. The Frostbringers are, or at least were, an example of a world outside of the Castellan subsector... So it's already taken for. Stop trying to hog everything for Sargassos! ;D Heck, you're as bad as CELS used to be ;D Kage
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Post by Destecado on May 8, 2004 10:24:01 GMT -5
I like the way you skirted around my barb about the Index Astartes article......seriously though, any idea when we can expect to see it?
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Post by Kage2020 on May 8, 2004 17:27:37 GMT -5
When I get a chance to look at it, I'm afraid. I'm under a mound of work and money-work and no light at the end of the tunnel... Seriously, though I'm going to try and take a scan at it tomorrow and see if I can make some comments on it then. At that point it will be returned to Sikkukkut to make those changes, or not (and argue them!), and then hopefully we'll see something... Kage
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Post by CELS on May 8, 2004 18:17:45 GMT -5
Sounds good. But I trust that when you've offered your comments, the discussion is moved to the forum, instead of us waiting for you two to work out any disagreements alone, before showing it to us...
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Post by Kage2020 on May 9, 2004 7:57:59 GMT -5
Definitely. I'm not overtly keen on keeping it private. One also has to remember that my comments will be necessarily general. I still haven't seen a single Index Astartes article, so not entirely sure of the general format that they provide! Well, that and those things that I don't feel suit the Imperium and the adeptus astartes in general, which is something that is entirely subject to personal interpretation... but the negotiation of these features is what the ASP is all about! Kage
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Post by Rich on May 19, 2004 10:49:45 GMT -5
Just a thought:
If the frostbringers are a fleet based chapter, and assuming they have the 3 battlebarges, 10 strike cruisers and assorted escorts that is the norm, then their fleet power would be at least equal to (and possibly greater that) that of the Anargo navy (what with ships in refit/war reserves and so forth). This seems like a situation that the adeptus terra would not be happy with, given their innate paranoia, and I wondered why this was the case?
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