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Post by CELS on Feb 2, 2004 18:29:48 GMT -5
At the risk of GW tracking me down and making me die in a cartoon-like piano accident; does anyone have the latest and final version of the Fluff bible? I have a rather old copy, unfortunately, and would love to get the last version before it disappears into legend.
So far, people on Portent haven't been very helpful, either because they're afraid, sad, or just plain... unhelpful.
Anyway, could someone help me with this?
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Post by malika on Feb 2, 2004 18:40:56 GMT -5
I PM'ed you about it  |
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 2, 2004 19:46:15 GMT -5
People just don't want to get hit by the GW IP lawyers, that is all...  Kage |
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Post by malika on Feb 2, 2004 19:47:50 GMT -5
hmmm...GW are being really lame about that..but ok its "their" thing of course
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 4, 2004 4:22:27 GMT -5
The so-called "FB" suffered from one simple thing: plagerism. It was a simple, word-for-word copy of what GW had produced in their various books and supplements. In that way it was exactly what the fans wanted and GW didn't since a substantial chunk of the fan-based no longer needed to be slaved to GW for that 'fluff'. Less fans tied to them equals less profits and GW is, after all, a profit making company. Gotta make those shareholders happy. (Actually, is GW a PLC? Never have bothered to check that up...) There are other ways of tackling the subject, and one in which I was sorely started to start up yet another Proboard on... except that I really don't have the time or resources to be able to tackle this subject directly. The approach taken therein would have been to ask for submission and re-writes (and not just paraphrasing) of each of the 'fluff' pieces present in the "FB" where possible. As such it would have been a "completely new" work based off their universe, and that is something that GW cannot control. Well, too much. Definitely not something that they would wish to start a precedent on since, after all, it would be the ultimate control of their 'product' and on the intellectual property and imagination of their fans... Perhaps something to think about. Kage |
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Post by CELS on Feb 4, 2004 5:10:50 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure that since a lot of the ideas are their intellectual property, and since they've got a few trademarks, they could make a mess of your idea as well, Kage, if they didn't approve. Like you say, anything that would stop people from buying such fluff sources as the Index Astarters books, the Liber Chaotica books, etc, will be shut down if it gets big enough, I think. Adding to the universe is the only thing that GW won't have any problems with (probably...), but it's also something that isn't entirely interesting for everyone. Sure, Brusilov might have an interesting idea for the Emperor's daemon, someone might have a clever Cypher theory or C'tan conspiracy theory, but as long as it's not 'fact', it's not as interesting in the way the fluff bible was. Simple, really. Personally, I think that stuff like C'tan conspiracy theories and opinions of which Primarch was the better fighter/siege master/ tactician/whatever is best left up to the individual player and discussed on Portent. A compilation of that stuff is.... well, not tremendously interesting, with a precious few exceptions. What I do find interesting is filling in the gaps like we're doing with this Project. Making 40k more of a tapestry, if you will  |
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Post by heretic on Feb 4, 2004 11:23:58 GMT -5
a trademark is not enforceable unless the person using someone else's TM is using it for profit, or to take business from the person holding the TM.
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Post by malika on Feb 4, 2004 11:40:36 GMT -5
well better not put it up for download...but do you want it? *feels like a drugdealer, secretly dealing drugs* ;D
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Post by CELS on Feb 4, 2004 13:34:58 GMT -5
Didn't know that, heretic. Still, I'm sure it's in their right to stop people from publishing their work for free (even if it is paraphrased like the FB)
Malika, thanks again for the FB! I just feel like when you've finally bought all your school books for a semester! ;D
My last version was 400 kb zipped, and this was 1,400 kb zipped *rubs hands*
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Post by malika on Feb 4, 2004 13:39:01 GMT -5
I dont know if this is the latest version though...
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Post by zholud on Feb 4, 2004 13:50:20 GMT -5
My last version was 400 kb zipped, and this was 1,400 kb zipped *rubs hands* It is not the last. the last is 1,780 kb  |
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Post by Minister on Feb 4, 2004 15:36:40 GMT -5
If I were the kind of person to condone breach of GW's IP rules, I would say: Would you be able to send that last one, then? I've got one, but it's a veritable antique and I don't want to loose the oportunity... And, were that the case, I would ask very politley if you might be so good as to send it to Nelson40000@hotmail.com ... Not that I'm saying those things, of course. |
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Post by Minister on Feb 7, 2004 17:08:15 GMT -5
Go on, please? Anyone?
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 7, 2004 20:37:44 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure that since a lot of the ideas are their intellectual property, and since they've got a few trademarks, they could make a mess of your idea as well, Kage, if they didn't approve. I'm somewhat cynical enoguh to assume that it has been done before with fan 'fluff'. I can almost say with certainty that I know for a fact that my ideas will not show up in GW lore, well other than the fact that some of my concepts are already present in GW canon... And before they showed up as publications as well. Gotta be amused by the whole (c) thing after a date in GW products. I'm sorry... But I truly believe that GW makes a profit on the ideas of fans without acknowledgement. They are in many ways the ultimate violators of IP... Kage |
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Post by CELS on Feb 7, 2004 20:55:37 GMT -5
If someone were to oblige Minister's wishes, the bastards would be able to mail me the document on cels@rocketmail.com, without my request |
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