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Post by zholud on Jan 31, 2004 7:50:37 GMT -5
Here comes my general premise about Meksum battle forces, PDF, etc. Due to the fact that I am not intended to create the actual IG army on the basis of their fluff, I allowed it to be a kind of mockery over usual IG Armies which are all determined, disciplined, skilful, natural born killers. Quite the opposite is true. The planet is far from conflicts, it hard old merchant traditions and it prefer to win with diplomacy and bribes than brute force. The character of solders may be based on Italian army during both world wars. Namely they had heroes, they where able to fight with fanatism, but for a very short period of time. They had best specialist troops in naval sabotage actions, but their grunts surrender quite quickly and were very undisciplined folks. In order to stimulate it within 40k universe where tithes in solders have to be paid, I assume that most local go only PDF on their peaceful enough system, and IG patrolling in others similarly quiet places while the faction of real fighter is bought on other planets, e.g. Altarra. What do you think?
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Post by CELS on Jan 31, 2004 8:00:20 GMT -5
I think that it's very interesting to see a regiment that isn't the typical "natural born killers" or something along those lines. I'm worried that it wouldn't be very cool if you took it too far in the other direction though, making the Meksumian soldiers just a bunch of hippies and cowards. Stereotypes are boring.
That's why I think basing them in the italians from the world wars is an excellent idea!! Granted, I don't know much about them, but from what you say, they seem perfect.
In peace time, these guys might seem like fair soldiers, doing their duty with only slightly more incidents of discipline problems than most regiments. When the shit hits the fan though, the difference is often very obvious. Perhaps write up a few episodes of Meksumians surrendering or trying to negotiate with enemies who end up double-crossing them and stabbing their backs. Of course, you should mention a few Meksumian heroes too!
My 0,02 Imperial denarii.
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Post by zholud on Jan 31, 2004 9:51:32 GMT -5
I think that it's very interesting to see a regiment that isn't the typical "natural born killers" or something along those lines. I'm worried that it wouldn't be very cool if you took it too far in the other direction though, making the Meksumian soldiers just a bunch of hippies and cowards. Stereotypes are boring. They would be ‘a little below average’ just because most others are above the average. They aren’t stupid or cowardly, their culture never learned them to long warfare. That's why I think basing them in the italians from the world wars is an excellent idea!! Granted, I don't know much about them, but from what you say, they seem perfect. For Italians I like the saying in Catch 22 book. Old Italian speaks with US solder after they took Sicily. US: “we won, why you are happy?” – “Because you now have to feed us!” Just a fine touch IMHO Most Italians surrendered to allies unlike Germans. Perhaps write up a few episodes of Meksumians surrendering or trying to negotiate with enemies who end up double-crossing them and stabbing their backs. Of course, you should mention a few Meksumian heroes too! Most likely will do! Thanks for the comments!
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Post by Zidagar Dinoman on Jan 31, 2004 10:56:05 GMT -5
Excellent idea! I really hate all those "other" guard players who take doctrines like "Iron Discipline" when their army is from the backwoods of some deathworld, and Drop Troops when their planet is some high gravity ball of steel.
All joking aside, I think an undisciplined IG regiment is a great idea and really gives the project some variety.
-Dinoman
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Post by malika on Jan 31, 2004 11:29:41 GMT -5
lots of conscripts perhaps?
what about IG whose guardsmen are forced to join (enlistment) and that many of them will try to destert or surrender to the enemy?
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Post by zholud on Jan 31, 2004 14:40:07 GMT -5
lots of conscripts perhaps? Yep, in terms of new C:IG doctrines they are Conscripts maybe, if one day I’ll do them as a more serious list, I put a bit on their reliance on ‘bought mercenary’ about which I hinted above. what about IG whose guardsmen are forced to join (enlistment) and that many of them will try to destert or surrender to the enemy? Not too much will desert despite it crucially depends on the situation. Is it easy to desert (e.g. if it is death world they are better together); who is the adversary (hard to delegate to Tyranids) They would most likely not surrender but rather disappear as an army if they are fighting against traitors… they aren’t the cowards, it’s simplification, they just low leadership army which cannot morally withstand prolonged conflict against technically equal adversary. But as Italians in 1935 occupied Ethiopia they do great job on ‘pacifying’ feudal planets.
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Post by malika on Feb 2, 2004 9:10:05 GMT -5
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Post by randski on Feb 2, 2004 11:38:31 GMT -5
would you want the IG to look like italians (swathy, olive skinned) and the uniforms based on the italian army(not sure thats possible ,(now it's 19,900 years later ish) or are you just on about the attitube type?
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Post by zholud on Feb 2, 2004 12:49:45 GMT -5
would you want the IG to look like italians (swathy, olive skinned) and the uniforms based on the italian army(not sure thats possible ,(now it's 19,900 years later ish) or are you just on about the attitube type? The main is idea... their look will be probably the result of environment. Taking that they live in cold planet and under the ground/water they probably lack enough melanine in the skin, so are rather pale. Or not, taking to the notion that artificial tanning isn’t that problematic...
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Post by CELS on Feb 2, 2004 13:12:37 GMT -5
I don't know if artificial tanning is very common in 40k, especially on hive worlds where the majority of the population are as poor as a church rat (as we say in Norway).
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Post by zholud on Feb 2, 2004 15:31:21 GMT -5
I don't know if artificial tanning is very common in 40k, especially on hive worlds where the majority of the population are as poor as a church rat (as we say in Norway). They just don’t write about tanning as there aren’t combat necessity in that. So it may exist, especially if other technology allows it. It is similar to description of, pardon me, defecation that never appeared in GW books and I hope never will, but does this mean they never do it??? As to being poor, it is primary on Necromunda and mainly on lower levels. Medium levels IMHO well protected and skilled workers there are paid enough to have not only food, but TV and such as well.
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Post by malika on Mar 22, 2004 11:31:13 GMT -5
I was thinking about the Meksumians' rumoured drug-habits, and using the Chem-inhaler upgrade to represent this. I imagine the Meksumian drugs would be similar to the drug "Kalma" mentioned in C:IG, right? Calming effect to escape the horror of war, as opposed to 'slaught... What trademark items, btw? This drug...would it be an illegal drug which the authorities just ignore? Or would they even supply it to their troops? Would they produce the drug themselves? Maybe we could integrate the Unibians in here, they sell the drugs for the Meksumian regiments, the Unibians are notorious for their drug trades. More info about the Unibians can be found here: kagemat.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=OtherRaces&action=display&thread=1079875745
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Post by CELS on Mar 22, 2004 11:45:14 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that the Ordo Xenos would go on a rampage if they found out about this. Hiding the fact that several Meksumian regiments are buying drugs from xenos is going to be... well, difficult, I imagine. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it might only be a matter of time before some Inquisitor found out...
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Post by malika on Mar 22, 2004 11:49:10 GMT -5
Well maybe they dont buy it directly from the Unibians. Maybe the peole who supply the soldiers with drugs get it from the Unibians, or they get it again from somebody else first.
What about that a more radical Ordo Xenos =][= is looking at this case, maybe he wouldnt mind the drugs so much because they are effective. Some Xenos are usefull for the Imperium and are allowed to live, like you said in another thread.
But I think the =][= might just close it's eyes for a case like this perhaps...seeing that it makes it's troops stronger and more efficient.
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Post by zholud on Mar 22, 2004 12:20:00 GMT -5
Meksumians use drugs to a far greater extent than average Joe Imperium, but this does not mean that they are whole day in the sky, far from this. I can envision trade with xenos, after all Meksum is famous trade intensive sub-sector, but most likely they buy seeds/recipes, not end product. And they try to make it out by themselves if possible. Note that no large scale trade is possible with aliens, and Meksum supplies around 100 millions of IG, so it is tonnes of drugs!
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