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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 24, 2004 19:28:10 GMT -5
Why should any race by immune to Chaos except through indiviudal intervention? A consideration of a single race never precludes Chaos involvement, at least for me... Kage
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Post by Lordof on Mar 25, 2004 0:30:03 GMT -5
Well any race can become unwitting pawns to Chaos but Tau etc. can't follow Chaos due to their inability to sence the Warp.
Also Orks now can only become Chaos followers if a Doc intervenes and manages to bind Daemons into them
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Post by malika on Mar 25, 2004 3:48:45 GMT -5
Where did you get that info?
And Chaos Tau...it would be very rare, but it is possible, but most deamons wouldnt be bothered, too much work for something so little, they rather possess a human
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Post by CELS on Mar 25, 2004 4:39:06 GMT -5
That doesn't make sense, that orks can only become chaos followers if a Doc intervenes...
No races are immune to chaos. Some races are damn hard to actually possess with daemons, like Tau, but there is more than one way to.... what's that expression again? Uhm, anyway, there are many ways Chaos can affect the living. A Tau may be difficult to possess, but a good Nurgle flu is still gonna hit hard.
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Post by malika on Mar 25, 2004 4:45:04 GMT -5
Yes but a Nurgle flu isnt going to make the Tau worship and fight for Chaos.
Would the Tau let themselves be blackmailed by Chaos, something like "if you Tau dont fight for us we would blow up this planet muhahahaha" Would the Tau work for Chaos then (under force) or would they sacrifice that planet? I mean in a situation in which they wouldnt be able to defeat the Chaos presence there (maybe some far colony)
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Mar 25, 2004 6:25:46 GMT -5
I know that Atlantans can turn to Chaos, if seperated from their kin, Hey, someone remembered me! Yes, Atlanteans (new name) can be warped by Chaos if they spend long periods of time far away from any others. I'm also working on a concept where the rare Atlantean is decieved into obeying Tzeentch when the God of Change masterquades (sp??) as the Face of Growth, one of the aspects of their god. My main goal is still simply that Atlanteans are protected completely from minor warp spirits, and it takes particular effort for one of the main gods to influence them, and only then if they are vulnerable. Except, of course, when they invite it in...... ;D
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Post by Destecado on Apr 6, 2004 12:47:56 GMT -5
IMO both chaos orks and Kroot have possibilities. I play kroot and have always been intrigued by the possibility of fielding a force devoted to a chaos god. In the Chapter Approved rules, it indicates that the Master Shaper has access to the Minor Psychic powers. What are the possibilities of the MS having access to the chaos minor psychic powers. Chaos KrootKroot as a chaos force makes more sense than most people realize. I'm not so sure if it would work for undivided as much as for a Tzeentch army, but being a mercenaries, it is within the realm of possibility. Let me give you my argument as to why I think they should be considered a Tzeentch force if fielded as a mercenary chaos army. The word Kroot comes from Thailand. It is actually another name for the Hindu and Buddhist deity Garuda. He is depicted as having a golden body, white face, red wings, and an eagle's beak and wings but a man's body. He is ancient and huge, and can block out the sun. As you can see from the above image, it bears no small resemblence to the tzeentch Lord of Change. Garuda is a deity of the sun, but under the name Vinayaka, he is thought to be remover of obstacles (Changer of Ways?) It is also worth noting, that the Kroot might be warp sensative. True their special powers come to them as "ancestor" gifts, but that may just be a veiled reference to gifts or "marks of favor" from a chaos god. This is all just speculation of course, but depending on how you interpret the information, it is possible. Chaos OrksJust having a band of orks turn to chaos is not only silly, but very unfluffy. If handled correctly though, it will help to reinforce the dire perils of chaos. What about having the world where the fortress is located changing hands several times. It was originally abandoned by the Iron Warriors after the defeat of Horus. It could have then passed into the hands of the orks during a WAAAGGG or to human scavangers who moved into the system after the IW left. Though the IW are long gone, the taint of chaos still lingers. It could be that the IW left a curse on the place when they left. Have you ever walked through a grave yard or other place and had a strong feeling of "wrongness" about the place...a place that makes you feel uncomfortable, but you can't exactly explain why? the IW fortress is such a place. The fortress slowly twists the minds of those who inhabit it. It is as if the fortress itself posses them. Almost unconsious of what they are doing, they will repair and maintain the fortress and if the opportunity arises expand it. Its formidable defences at one time covered only 2-3 miles. Over the centuries it has grown to encompass over 200 miles. A vast no mans land of twisting trenches and redouts interspersed with fortifications and tunnels stands out like a scar on the landscape. This twisted nightmarish landscape is populated by roving bands of humans, orc clans and other stranger creatures. Several attempts have been made to destroy the fortress. Orbital bombardment has reduced it to rubble only to have it rebuilt within a generation large and more forboding than it wa originally. The fortress seems to grow stronger with every drop of blood spilt withing its walls and trenches. Sorry, I know this does not seem to be totally about chaos orks, but I was trying to illustrate a way in which they could come about. It would also be interesting to have something like a "War World" once a force enters into the fray withing the fortress, they rarely if ever escape. The fortress could be a manifestation of Khorne, who feeds off of the violence and blood spilled within the fortress as those trapped within its walls and fortifications continue to fight. This would provide a perfect place for small scale battles to be played or for use of the Kill Team and Creature Creation special rules from Chapter Approved.
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Post by CELS on Apr 10, 2004 5:58:26 GMT -5
As I've said in the CSS forum, Destecado, Chaos orks are far from unfluffy. If you're familiar with Rogue Trader (the game), I guess you'll remember the Stormboyz of Khorne. If you look at Codex: Daemonhunters, page 50-51, you'll see mutated orks who have painted the symbol of Nurgle on their armour and even carved it into their skin. The orks are quite intelligent enough to consciously serve Chaos, especially since Chaos has ways to make them bigger and badder. Tempting, to any ork. Still, the reason not all orks follow chaos, probably just a nigh-insignificant fraction, is that they probably consider Chaos unorky, especially since submitting to a foreign power is difficult for the orks. (" We's da best!") That the orks inhabiting the IW fortress don't consciously worshipp Chaos is fine. Chaos works in mysterious ways. I don't, however, think that we should exclude Chaos orks from the sectors. In fact, I think it's important that we explore the area, since there's barely any mention of aliens falling to chaos in fluff. As for Chaos Kroot... any Shaper in his right mind would stay clear of chaos. Kroot can most likely taste Chaos, and know what it's about. A rogue Shaper or some outsider faction of Kroot might turn to Chaos though, which would be most interesting indeed. I don't feel that your arguments make Chaos Kroot all the more valid though, Destecado. Just because GW took inspiration for Kroot from the same culture as Tzeentch, doesn't mean that it's valid fluff-wise. Whether Chaos Kroot are possible should be decided based on what's written in fluff (and what's not written), not any conclusions we may draw based on real-life stuff such as that you mentioned. Fortunately... we seem to agree on Chaos Kroot anyways ;D Yes but a Nurgle flu isnt going to make the Tau worship and fight for Chaos. I know. But I was disagreeing with the fact that Tau are "immune to chaos". They might not worship Chaos like humans would, but they can still be affected. Would the Tau let themselves be blackmailed by Chaos, something like "if you Tau dont fight for us we would blow up this planet muhahahaha" The Tau are very brave, and would all give their lives for the Greater Good. If fighting for Chaos was against the Greater Good, they would not be blackmailed, I think.
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Post by malika on Apr 11, 2004 10:52:15 GMT -5
Tzeetch might trick the Tau into believing that Chaos would be the Greater Good? Or what about Tau who have abandoned the Eterneals and the Greater Good like Farsight did?
In the FireWarrior game and book Kais became possessed IIRC, it's a very small chance but still..what if an Eterneal got possessed, some of the Tau might follw him, no matter if he was possessed or not.
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Post by CELS on Apr 11, 2004 11:05:59 GMT -5
Kais was not possessed. He did almost lose his mind and go crazy, which is the nightmare of any Tau- insanity and a lack of sense and logic and structure. He was not possessed though.
The Governor did try to possess the Ethereal, but failed. The more he tried, the more he hurted the Ethereal, but without possessing him. The Admiral was possessed though.
Tau are incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to possess. It's like trying to possess an insect. They simply do not have enough presence in the warp.
Btw, if I spoiled this novel for anyone, I'm not sorry. It's a crappy novel, and you shouldn't read it anyway. IMHO.
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Apr 11, 2004 11:15:40 GMT -5
Hey, I thought it was good. Then again, I once read the Encyclopedia for enjoyment, so I guess I'm easily pleased....
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Post by malika on Apr 11, 2004 12:13:20 GMT -5
Kais was not possessed. He did almost lose his mind and go crazy, which is the nightmare of any Tau- insanity and a lack of sense and logic and structure. He was not possessed though. The Governor did try to possess the Ethereal, but failed. The more he tried, the more he hurted the Ethereal, but without possessing him. The Admiral was possessed though. Tau are incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to possess. It's like trying to possess an insect. They simply do not have enough presence in the warp. Btw, if I spoiled this novel for anyone, I'm not sorry. It's a crappy novel, and you shouldn't read it anyway. IMHO. I havent read the novel myself...I just interpeted from all the threads about it that Kais got possessed...or turned Chaos...he screamed "Blood For The Blood God" right?
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Post by CELS on Apr 11, 2004 12:20:13 GMT -5
He might have, I don't remember that he did. Like I said though, he was going crazy. He was not possessed. There's no record of any Tau being possessed. Not much more to say on the subject, I'm afraid...
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Post by malika on Apr 12, 2004 5:14:29 GMT -5
What about that piece of fluff about that deamon trying to possess a Tau or something, but that only 1 in a million or something could be possessed? I read something like that on Portent once
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Post by CELS on Apr 12, 2004 5:51:09 GMT -5
Like I said, there's no record of any Tau being possessed in the fluff. In fact, there's overwhelming evidence of the fact that Tau are so difficult to possess that it's not worth the effort, if it is at all possible. Frankly Malika, I think writing something about a possessed Tau is like writing about a possessed Tyranid Gaunt or a possessed Human Saint. The fluff might not directly and specifically say that either of these are impossible to possess, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
And again, it would be appreciated if you would post complete ideas instead of the one-liners like that.
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