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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 27, 2003 15:00:02 GMT -5
I ask this question since it has been kicking around in my mind for some time: Whether each project member should be responsible for the production of a single world as well as their other interests? It would be a way of rapidly filling out the worlds of the Anargo Sector and giving us the information to get up there on the webpage... Thoughts? Kage
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 27, 2003 15:03:37 GMT -5
I think that every member should create at least one world, it would demonstrate how active and committed they are to the project as a whole. Which means, I ned to go build one.
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Post by CELS on Dec 27, 2003 15:36:27 GMT -5
Aaahhh! Finally a chance to discuss this! Yes, this new forum does allow for much needed ventilation! I can totally appreciate Farseer Kythil's point (who are you, btw? ), but I think that if we demand this from our artists, we'll quickly lose a whole bunch (if we haven't already). Personally, I would like to allow people that can't really invest too much time in the project to contribute as well, especially with stuff like artwork and fiction and webmastering. I'm not sure I have a good suggestion for how to solve this problem though. Maybe let members create worlds on a voluntary basis, but reward the ones who do show such an act of commitment with the title Primary Project Member (remember that? ) and let them play a bigger part in the project than the odd contributer, who doesn't have time or just wants to see his/her stuff on the net. I'm not completely satisfied with this solution myself, but I'm not comfortable with such a strict restriction on the membership either. I do believe a lot of people's interest will be crushed like a bug when we demand such work from them. Perhaps we don't want these people anyway, but perhaps we do...
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 27, 2003 15:50:35 GMT -5
Aaahhh! Finally a chance to discuss this! Yes, this new forum does allow for much needed ventilation! As mentioned on the original thread in Portent, it allows us to separate those different ideas that occur to use rather then mulching them all together in a single thread. I can totally appreciate Farseer Kythil's point As can I... (who are you, btw? ) To jump in at this point, Farseer Kythil is a poster on some other boards on the 'Net and somewhat that I 'chat' to every now and again. He has some rather intriguing ideas with regards to the adeptus mechanicus and, occasionally, even the eldar (tongue in cheek there, Farseer Kythil... ). ...but I think that if we demand this from our artists, we'll quickly lose a whole bunch (if we haven't already). Agreed... but artists are one of those lovely rarities that I do not personally include them in this side of things. Rather the question applies to those people that have a tendency of dropping only their opinion in rather than actually contributing. While an opinion is a form of contribution I would personally prefer something more... Personally, I would like to allow people that can't really invest too much time in the project to contribute as well, especially with stuff like artwork and fiction and webmastering. A reasonable enough point and one which, as above, I agree with. I'm not sure I have a good suggestion for how to solve this problem though. At the moment it's fairly easy.. the people who are posting at the moment are actually contributing. The project is going to have grow and garner more interest as it becomes more distinct from Portent. I'm not completely satisfied with this solution myself, but I'm not comfortable with such a strict restriction on the membership either. I've found that one of the best ways to generate discussion is to take a rather 'black-white' stance to which people will always argue the 'grey'. There are always lots of shades of grey... Kage
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Post by CELS on Dec 27, 2003 17:07:08 GMT -5
To jump in at this point, Farseer Kythil is a poster on some other boards on the 'Net and somewhat that I 'chat' to every now and again. He has some rather intriguing ideas with regards to the adeptus mechanicus and, occasionally, even the eldar (tongue in cheek there, Farseer Kythil... ). *smirk* Well, that's good. You should really take a look at what I've done for the forgeworld so far then, Farseer Kythil, as the forgeworld thread also includes our view on the Adeptus Mechanicus at the moment, with its philosophies and factions and more Agreed... but artists are one of those lovely rarities that I do not personally include them in this side of things. Rather the question applies to those people that have a tendency of dropping only their opinion in rather than actually contributing. While an opinion is a form of contribution I would personally prefer something more... The way I was thinking, people who aren't considered Primary Project Members (henceforth PPM) aren't really asked their opinion, and have no real impact on the course of the project (contributions aside). At the moment it's fairly easy.. the people who are posting at the moment are actually contributing. The project is going to have grow and garner more interest as it becomes more distinct from Portent. At the moment, the future looks bright. Everyone seems to have renewed their faith and motivation, and we even have a few new members. If we just manage to keep group of between 10 and 20 'good' members, I will be more than satisfied and less concerned with the "kinda in" members. I've found that one of the best ways to generate discussion is to take a rather 'black-white' stance to which people will always argue the 'grey'. There are always lots of shades of grey... Very sly But perhaps a black-white stance is preferable on this question. Otherwise, we'll be discussing the shades of grey forever, discussing who is a real member, etc For now, demanding one planet from each member seems like the best idea, with exceptions made for artists, fiction writers and website designers. If we start having trouble with this, or if anyone can come up with a better suggestion, I'll reconsider
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Post by ZoomDog on Dec 28, 2003 2:37:45 GMT -5
It really depends. Like stated above, making every artist make a planet wouldn't work. And also, how would it be enforced? A new poster joins a conversation, throws in an excellent suggestion, then we say "Sorry, we're not listening to you until you agree to make a world" I believe it should be strongly encouraged for everyone to make a world, and some sort 'reward' shoul be given to those who do. (Karma Bonus! ;D) And CELS, can you fix your picture? That little red 'x' bugs me
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Post by CELS on Dec 28, 2003 9:05:15 GMT -5
The reward, in my mind, would be given in the form of the title Primary Project Member, which would carry with it certain rights and privileges.
As for my picture... I really don't know how to fix this, since it appears just fine on my screen. Does someone have some webspace I can upload a pic to?
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 28, 2003 9:10:26 GMT -5
Hmmn... The title is really a superfluous one since ultimately the thing changes as you post more. I'm just remembering Portent and the fact that people would like to chip in and be considered a 'part' of it, but they really didn't do anything... That combined with the wandering presence, of course... Kage
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 28, 2003 9:26:07 GMT -5
To jump in at this point, Farseer Kythil is a poster on some other boards on the 'Net and somewhat that I 'chat' to every now and again. He has some rather intriguing ideas with regards to the adeptus mechanicus and, occasionally, even the eldar (tongue in cheek there, Farseer Kythil... ). I help when I can, what Kage means by 'rather intriguing ideas' is I base my opinions on the wargame aswell as the background which can produce interesting or irritating suggestions. Remember the webway discussion Kage?
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 28, 2003 10:39:50 GMT -5
Remember the webway discussion Kage? Erm, no. But that's also OffT. Kage
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 28, 2003 10:48:08 GMT -5
Erm, no. But that's also OffT. I applogise, I can get a little excited at actually being noticed. Now back to the topic, I do agree that some people can be excluded from the making planets rule (artists being one) It would help if there were certain divisions, a set group tackle artwork, another fiction and the another with the generation of the sectors and planets. Only the people in the latter have to build a planet (although contributions from the others would be welcome).
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 28, 2003 17:41:03 GMT -5
The only problem with that is that while artwork requires a significant expenditure of time, so to does the world-building. Perhaps more so in the latter since it requires continual iteration... and there are far fewer world-builders than artists for about the first time I've ever seen on an online project! Kage
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Post by CELS on Dec 29, 2003 6:02:29 GMT -5
Well, at least there used to be. How many artists have survived the change of forums? One? (Rogue Trader) Perhaps Juddski will follow when the holidays are over, but that's pretty much everyone I expect to see. Oops, OffT again The pros and cons of the 'One World criterium' is that it's sort of a trial that not only proves who is interested in the project, but it also stimulates our progress. It also helps us draw a line between people whose opinions deserve to be heard, and random visitors who bless us with their council. Unfortunately, this disqualifies people who have lots of knowledge to offer on areas we are found lacking (Adeptus Arbites, Orks, Genestealers, etc) but who don't have time or interest to create a whole world. If we go with the other alternative, simply judging each contributer by the level of commitment, a couple of big disadvantages come to mind. There might be some arguing about who deserves the title, and who doesn't. Stuff like that could really ruin the mood on a forum. It'll also mean that less people will be driven to create new worlds. On the other hand, it does let us take benefit from members who might be important to the project, but who don't have the time or interest to build a world. I'm kinda torn. Perhaps this question should be asked in the Primary Project Leaders forum? And if there is broad uncertainty of how to deal with this, perhaps Da Boss should just choose one or the other, with the option of changing his mind later. Oh, and though artists and web designers would be excluded from the rule, I would not want this to apply for fiction writers. As Kage has proven already, people who enjoy writing up stuff such as what we're doing (creating worlds, inventing new aliens, etc) are often the same people who write fiction with great interest and ability.
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Post by randski on Feb 2, 2004 14:54:55 GMT -5
phew! that's ok then(had me panicking there for a minute) the trouble for me in creating a world,is the specifics,orbit,climate,temperature,ect, ect, when yous people start creating i'm still left on the starting blocks.so initially i was going to vote ''no'' for personal reasons,but now i'm not included ;D i'll vote ''yes''....but seriously, i think you should tread carful,i think encoragement is the key, not carjouling, as already stated ..i think you'll lose more than you gain,IMHO
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Post by malika on Feb 4, 2004 14:07:17 GMT -5
hmm I could use some help in creating a world...I looked through that PDF file Kage posted somewhere else...its huge...really intens
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