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Post by Dazo on Oct 20, 2004 18:46:29 GMT -5
you have to remember there is a very norse chapter already, the space wolves, that last little symbol practically screams space wolf, though that three pointed swirly thing has potential
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Post by Fleetmaster on Nov 4, 2004 7:52:41 GMT -5
I'm just popping in to say that I am planning to do a drawing of the chapter fortress, and to ask which symbol I should use?
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Post by Dazo on Nov 4, 2004 9:20:12 GMT -5
Its option 5 that is now the official symbol
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Post by Destecado on Nov 8, 2004 15:50:22 GMT -5
you have to remember there is a very norse chapter already, the space wolves, that last little symbol practically screams space wolf, though that three pointed swirly thing has potential I agree with you with regards to the last symbol. I've also been doing some more research into different aspects of norse and germanic myth. I think I have come up with a background of the chapter...if not yet an actual symbol. While research symbols and norse mythology, i came across some interesting information about the norse god Tyr. Tyr began his existence as a sky god, probably the preeminent Germanic deity, or even the sole deity of a primitive monotheistic belief. Tyr represented the principles of law and justice in this early time, and maintained this attribute till the end of pagan times. His character was much like that of Mars (noble and brave). The Romans thus equated him with their own deity Mars. During the Viking age his position of chief deity was overshadowed by Odin, Thor and Freja, and all but faded into oblivion. The relationship between tyr and Mars is also linked by their symbology. the god Tyr is represented by the rune Tiwaz The astrological symbol for Mars appears to incorporate the symbol of Tyr. The T-rune is primarily one of justice since Tyr is the Norse god who presided at the "thing", (the Germanic general judiciary assembly). Judgment was not always arrived at by discussion, judgment by arms was a common concept to the Norse/Germanic cultures. It is associated with the idea that "justice will prevail." The Old English Rune Poem, says Tir is a star, it keeps its faith well. It is always on its course over the mists of night. It is represents the guiding principles which are steadfast and can be relied on to judge one's position. This is also a powerful striking rune, for it was on Odhinn's spear that oaths were recorded. Violations of the oaths to Odhinn were to be met with a swift and destructive action. Swearing upon Odhinn spear was to hold a vow to one's death or incur the gods wrath. Because the spear is so involved, it is often observed that this is the masculine energy evoked. The Portents of the T-rune Tactical genius, courage, bravery, dedication, daring. Protection on sea voyages (in our case could be star voyages). Negotiating and legislative ability. Tyr lost his right hand through an act of bravery and thus protects warriors (both physical & spiritual), the disabled, and the left-handed. If you equate the Ultramarines with the power and glory of roman at its height, then the Frost Bringers might be equated with the lands of Ultima Germania that they conquored. If this is the case, then perhaps basing the Frost Bringers upon the germanic view of Tyr would allow us to maintain the norse feel, while keeping some distance from the fluff of the Space Wolves. Tyr is also usually associated with the spear or arrow, so some of the symbols that have been incorporating spears may fit best with this. Any thoughts?
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Post by Dazo on Nov 8, 2004 16:16:49 GMT -5
I like that, gemanic eh, thats cool, and it has the virtue as far as I know of not having been done before, incedently were the teutonic knights close to the time you are refering to or were they much later
Fits the chapter symbol quite nicely
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Post by Lordof on Nov 9, 2004 5:47:53 GMT -5
Tuetonic Knights were a few centuries later.
Mind you we could have the First company as the Elite being quite Tuetonic and the rest being a bit more towards the Germanic Tribal style.
Sort of like each Company has an Elite Honour Guard for the Company Captain and each year the Honour Guard compete for a place in the First Company. The Elite of the First Company would be the Honour Guard (You know could be called Sons of Thor for those who missed out on the Chapter Name) for the chapter master and would compete amongst each other for the Honour of carrying the Chapter Banner into battle.
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Post by Dazo on Nov 9, 2004 10:56:20 GMT -5
Thats a good compromise Or the blades/sons of Tyr. Thor is a bit to norse and space wolfy don't you think
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Post by Lordof on Nov 10, 2004 5:53:41 GMT -5
Yeah it is but we did have another member who was quite passionate about his idea but it sorta got declined.
So the sons of Thor was just sorta a way for him to get his concept into the project
unless of course he wants to go on his own with the Chapter Comp coming up.
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Nov 11, 2004 15:14:20 GMT -5
My fav was Brother A's symbol. It's got a snowflake, since they're the Frostbringers. And it's got a skull, and this is Games Workshop.............. But since the skull-and-snowflake is out of the running, it looks like the spear-thingy is the next best.
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Post by Dazo on Nov 11, 2004 15:59:03 GMT -5
Your a bit late there glyph, kage already made the decision, its the moon skull spear combo that made the cut. But its good to see your throwing yourself in there keep going
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Nov 12, 2004 5:23:23 GMT -5
grrrrr..that's what I get for skipping to Page 4 of the topic... I did say the moon-spear was my second choice, except it doesn't have any skulls.... ;D
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Post by Dazo on Nov 12, 2004 10:06:43 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me where the Frostbringer homeworld is and what its called, we could call that Thor if it hasn't been named or Teutates, which is a germanic god of war is it not
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Post by Sikkukkut on Nov 13, 2004 5:13:41 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me where the Frostbringer homeworld is and what its called, we could call that Thor if it hasn't been named or Teutates, which is a germanic god of war is it not Adliden. The name is from the name of the realm of the goddess Sedna in Inuit myth. It's a rogue planet deep in the gulf between the Anargo and Cruciatine sectors, drifting in far interstellar space rather than being part of a solar system. The Frost Bringers discovered it more or less by accident on their way into the Cruciatine Sector and set themselves up there after the Massilian Schism was put to rest.
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Post by Dazo on Nov 13, 2004 5:15:48 GMT -5
Ah right thats cool, but where is it, castellan or anargo Ok I found it, was there any plans to actually do the world in SR form
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Post by Sikkukkut on Nov 13, 2004 5:36:26 GMT -5
Ok I found it, was there any plans to actually do the world in SR form I think the ultimate plan is to do every world up in that format, but for now I haven't planned on going too far into the details of the planet beyond what's already in the draft IA. It's a big ball of ice that only the Frost Bringers know exists; the only part of it that's relevant is their own fortress-monastery and the funeral cairns. (Hmm, can't remember if I put those in the IA - better go and check )
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