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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 7, 2004 13:09:58 GMT -5
So is the concept that the schola progenium is an "elitist" school for the (actual and nominal) orphans of the Imperium? How does this affect the concept of the General Staff and the martial (and obvious familial) traditions presented in the 'fluff'?
Also, does this not create the potential of 'social emulation', and incredibly common feature of social history? That there would be, if you will, "finishing schools" outside of the schola progenium that allow for a similar education system without the complete dedication to the Imperium?
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Post by Brusilov on Aug 8, 2004 9:47:55 GMT -5
Well this would affect the fluff in the sense that the family ties described in several stories would be a known practise, possibly accepted by people who can do little against it, but is not officially sanctioned by the Imperium. It does seem however that nepotism, cooptation and other such things are quite common within the Imperium.
As to whether places of learning would exist outside the Schola and the university level schools for Adepts, I'm all for it. After all on some worlds there exists a middle class of educated people. However as status seems to be very important in the Imperium, those schools would not have the reputation of the schola and the diplomas would not be as recognised as that of Imperium sanctioned places.
This leads me to argue that outside the Schola exists places of learning under the control of the Imperium whose purpose is to train people that would work outside the Adepti
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Post by CELS on Aug 8, 2004 10:37:15 GMT -5
But... does the Schola Progenium educate anyone but members of the Adeptus Astartes? Can you graduate from the Schola to become a farmer, engineer, doctor or journalist? If no, then who cares what reputation the Schola has? It only educates people for jobs that only Schola graduates can do anyway.
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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 8, 2004 12:13:36 GMT -5
This leads me to argue that outside the Schola exists places of learning under the control of the Imperium whose purpose is to train people that would work outside the Adepti Yet the parasitic and canonically uncaring Imperium and adeptus terra doesn't give a fig about this. As long as they get their tithe and no Imperium laws are broken, an Imperial Commander may educate (or not) their population as they see fit...
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Post by Brusilov on Aug 13, 2004 3:41:19 GMT -5
No the Schola Progenium does not educate people to become anything but servants of the Imperium. In that sense it's much like the French ENA (Ecole Nationale d'Administration, from which most senior civil servants and even ministers have graduated).
And yes I would argue there would be certainly local education system that would vary wildly from world to world, but would the Imperium itself have schools to educate people in becoming anything but servants of the Adeptus Terra
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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 13, 2004 11:32:52 GMT -5
Alright, how about a swathe of points that we can agree or disagree one? Might give us a better jumping off point for final synthesis of this material: - The schola progenium is for the tuition of Imperial servants entirely and is not responsible for education in the Imperium as a whole.
- There are numerous 'divisions' of the schola progenium some of which might be present on some worlds, others not. This may result in the transportation of appropriate candidates to the appropriate 'school'.
- Officially only 'orphans of the Impeirum' can enroll in the schola progenium; they have no family but the Imperium itself.
- Unofficially, it is possible for non-Adept orphans to gain a position within the ranks of the schola progenium and, therefore, the adeptus terra if they give up all familial rights.
- The adeptus mechanicus does not utilise the schola progenium to teach, but rather watches for suitable candidates as they do through other instituations.
- The 'staff' of the Guard (etc.) are derived from the schola progenium that are appropriately filtered that while technically are 'orphans' often find familial attachments to continue. (This is tenuous...)
- Education on a world outside of the schola progenium is completely dependent upon the fiant of the Imperial Commander as fief-holder. This can include complete imposition of a schola progenium-like structure to privatised education.
- Educational facilities exist within a subsector or sector which are used in a form of social emulation to parallel that of the schola progenium. They do not, however, determine enrollment into the schola progenium or the adeptus terra in general.
Okay, that's enough for now... Really should re-read the thread when I'm putting up a synopsis, but those are the most interesting and cogent points/potentials that I can remember from reading this thread...
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Post by Brusilov on Aug 29, 2004 9:44:35 GMT -5
That seems a relatively good account of the way one could describe the education system of the Imperium for the most part.
I can understand what your issue is with the Schola Progenium training Guard officers. Personally I would argue this does not have to be the case. In my own version of the IG structure it would only apply to Staff Officers as Guard/Unit officers would be trained by whatever local planetary military school exists (or not)
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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 29, 2004 9:55:38 GMT -5
That seems a relatively good account of the way one could describe the education system of the Imperium for the most part. And the other part? Sorry, I'm starved of discussion. And feel free to pop over to RPG to help along with that side of things. After all, we're meant to be catering to everyone here! Personally I would argue this does not have to be the case. In my own version of the IG structure it would only apply to Staff Officers as Guard/Unit officers would be trained by whatever local planetary military school exists (or not) Erm, I thought that is what I said? If not, then apologies. This is exactly what I was meant to say.
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