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Post by Destecado on Apr 27, 2004 10:35:55 GMT -5
How's it coming? Even if it is not fully complete, is it possible to at least view whatever you have so far. The Frost Bringers (wraiths or whatever) are tied to alot of the other areas of the project. Without having at least some idea what they will be like makes it difficult to proceed.
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Post by zholud on Apr 27, 2004 12:00:18 GMT -5
How's it coming? Even if it is not fully complete, is it possible to at least view whatever you have so far. The Frost Bringers (wraiths or whatever) Right, Bringers… always was and forever will be Without having at least some idea what they will be like makes it difficult to proceed. From what I remember they are largely borrow from Nordic culture, but they aren’t another Space Wolves, quite the opposite. They favour Loki over Thor if you catch my point. They live on the lost planet in deep space and tithe for recruits on all the way of lost planet long orbit. They excel in space hulk boarding actions. What else you want to know?
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Post by Destecado on Apr 27, 2004 12:08:33 GMT -5
I don't understand what youmean by lost planet. Are you refering to a rogue planet. If so, they really dont have an orbit. If you are referning to a planetoid that is able to manuver through space.....well why not just call them the dark angels.
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Post by CELS on Apr 27, 2004 12:27:02 GMT -5
All shall be revealed as soon as our glorious leaders manages to pull his thu- erm, has time. He's busy with work, and the idea is that Kage is supposed to read the IA and comment on it before it is posted on the forum. To answer your question, the Frost.. Bringer (: homeworld is indeed a rogue planet, drifting through space. How do you feel that you are handicapped by the lack of information on the Frost Bringers, Destecado?
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Post by Destecado on Apr 27, 2004 13:17:40 GMT -5
There are several reasons why it is important to have this information, but here is a short list.
1. Founding
By knowing what date the Chapter was founded as well as if they are a successor of the Ultramarines directly or on of their progenitor chapters will help to fit them into the overall scheme of events.
It is important to know when they took up "stewardship" of the sector and if there was a previous occupying force of space marines or if it was solely left up to the Imerpial fleet and guard?
Then their is the question if they existed before the first tyranic invasion or prior? Did they send troops to assist the Ultramarines? If so how bad were their losses and what would be the implications for protecting the sector?
2. Home World
Where is it located? in this case, you have indicated that it is on a rogue planet or planetoid, but what sector is it in, from where did the planetoid originate and where is it heading? If it is not outfitted with manuvering thrusters, it would be at the mercy of its original inertia.
3. Major Battles
Any battles that the Frost Bringers have participated in will have an effect on the sub-sector in which they took place. Speaking for the Sargasso Sub-Sector, if I am going to try and write about a battle between a force of Frost Bringers facing off against cultists or the Alpha Legion, I have to have an understanding of their battle doctrine, organization, and general makeup.
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Post by Sikkukkut on Apr 27, 2004 20:00:55 GMT -5
The draft IA is with Kage, whose impression of it is, I understand, broadly favourable. He has said that he has some changes he wants made; my plan at the moment is to make those and then post it here. In the meantime... By knowing what date the Chapter was founded as well as if they are a successor of the Ultramarines directly or on of their progenitor chapters will help to fit them into the overall scheme of events. Mid-point of M37. They were founded from the Silver Skulls Chapter, which makes them a descendant of the Ultramarines. It is important to know when they took up "stewardship" of the sector and if there was a previous occupying force of space marines or if it was solely left up to the Imerpial fleet and guard? No, there wasn't. Agitation for the founding or relocation of a Chapter to the Anargo Sector started after people saw the Skulls and the Deathwatch fighitng Waaagh!-Tuskragga and realised what an asset a local Chapter would be. Then their is the question if they existed before the first tyranic invasion or prior? Did they send troops to assist the Ultramarines? If so how bad were their losses and what would be the implications for protecting the sector? Interesting question. I hadn't planned on them having any involvement in the battles for Ultramar, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be any. Where is it located? in this case, you have indicated that it is on a rogue planet or planetoid, but what sector is it in, from where did the planetoid originate and where is it heading? If it is not outfitted with manuvering thrusters, it would be at the mercy of its original inertia. It's a rogue planet (full-sized, not planetoid) drifting deep in interstellar space between the Anargo and Cruciatine sectors. They don't steer it about or fly it anywhere - it functions as a hidden base that they leave to fight and return to to go about their own affairs. Any battles that the Frost Bringers have participated in will have an effect on the sub-sector in which they took place. Speaking for the Sargasso Sub-Sector, if I am going to try and write about a battle between a force of Frost Bringers facing off against cultists or the Alpha Legion, I have to have an understanding of their battle doctrine, organization, and general makeup. They don't wear makeup ;D I've deliberately avoided giving too much info about Frost Bringer actions after some formative campaigns just after their founding so that they can be fitted in to other parts of the Sector's history more easily. As has been mentioned, they prefer space and ship-based actions wherever they can, and will look for opportunities to strike at an enemy in space wherever they can. Other than that they're similar enough in combat practices to a Codex Chapter that you can write accounts of them as such without too much fear of contradiciton. There aren't the extreme differences in outlook and practice that you'd see in the Black Templars or Space Wolves, for example.
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Post by zholud on Apr 28, 2004 11:52:21 GMT -5
Despite Sikkukkut gave much better answers, I will add some point it terms of general discussions. And, by the way, CELS, I guess we can write that on many planets, where Frostbringers recruits they are known as Wraith or Frost/Ice Wraith… because I know now the feeling of rejection of rather good proposal. Peace? There are several reasons why it is important to have this information, but here is a short list. 1. Founding By knowing what date the Chapter was founded as well as if they are a successor of the Ultramarines directly or on of their progenitor chapters will help to fit them into the overall scheme of events. they are successor Chapter of Ultramarines only because the point of the Anargo sector project is fluff/background, not rules creation, so vanilla Chapter had to be used. I like idea being Silver Skulls successors, but I guess we should move the founding before the Age of Apostasy (M36) just to have SM Chapter taking part in these actions. The GW overplays SM, but we may greatly underplay them with so recent, in 40k terms Founding. Any suggestions? 2. Home World Where is it located? in this case, you have indicated that it is on a rogue planet or planetoid, but what sector is it in, from where did the planetoid originate and where is it heading? It is a rogue planet and they may have orbits, despite not all have them. To a large extent the planet is like comet with extremely long orbit but the orbit nevertheless. And due to having an orbit it does not head anywhere, but rotates. 3. Major Battles Any battles that the Frost Bringers have participated in will have an effect on the sub-sector in which they took place. Speaking for the Sargasso Sub-Sector, if I am going to try and write about a battle between a force of Frost Bringers facing off against cultists or the Alpha Legion, I have to have an understanding of their battle doctrine, organization, and general makeup. It is very interesting, but from fluff on them they are more sneaky and alpha legion like than original Ultramarines. Maybe we have potential problem there.
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Post by CELS on Apr 28, 2004 16:59:57 GMT -5
Despite Sikkukkut gave much better answers, I will add some point it terms of general discussions. And, by the way, CELS, I guess we can write that on many planets, where Frostbringers recruits they are known as Wraith or Frost/Ice Wraith… because I know now the feeling of rejection of rather good proposal. Peace? Lmao! Peace! Not Frost Wraiths though, that'd be silly. Maybe just Wraiths or Ice Wraiths or summat ;D That's very sweet of you.
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Post by Destecado on Apr 29, 2004 10:21:48 GMT -5
It is a rogue planet and they may have orbits, despite not all have them. To a large extent the planet is like comet with extremely long orbit but the orbit nevertheless. And due to having an orbit it does not head anywhere, but rotates. Generally the term rogue planet refers to a planetary body that has formed seperately from a solar system or which has reached escape velocity from its system of origin. For more information on planets forming outside of solar systems, clikc on the following link. www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/10/06/space.planets.reut/A comet like body that you are describing would not be as big as a planet and also would probably not support an atmosphere. If you are looking for a home for the chapter, you may wish to consider one of the lost planets within the Sargasso Sub-Sector. The chapter would gain a home that is off limits from most prying eyes, it would also reinforce the cordon around the sub-sector. This would also allow them to have a "kill zone" around their home planet to stop anyone from approaching. It still would probably not have a habitable atmosphere, but they could hollow it out and live below ground.
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Post by zholud on Apr 29, 2004 12:48:01 GMT -5
A comet like body that you are describing would not be as big as a planet and also would probably not support an atmosphere. The relative speeds of a comet and a planet, e.g. Earth can be close. The speed does not lead per se to elimination of atmosphere, at least Earth-like speed. The comets are probably smaller because they move through ‘densely’ (compared to between the stars) trafficked zone and more massive bodies due to Newton law will be affected and affect on planets, etc ceretis paribus…
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Post by Destecado on Apr 29, 2004 13:16:30 GMT -5
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Post by CELS on Apr 29, 2004 14:26:46 GMT -5
The planet is obviously not intended to support life, and yes, it will indeed be without an atmosphere, as Sikkukkut originally mentioned months ago. The Frost Bringers like it in the emptyness of space after all, so they wouldn't feel right on a world with flower-bearing trees and singing birds
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Post by CELS on Apr 29, 2004 17:27:02 GMT -5
Fellas, I need your help. I'm currently painting my Frost Bringer fleet, but I'm not sure about the colour scheme. As you may remember, it was decided that the Frost Bringers would have a dark colour scheme to fit with their dark nature (and their name at the time...) Contrasting the glorious marble white ships of the Ultramarines, for example, the Frost Bringers would be painted a ghostly grey. Well, I've painted up my Frost Bringer Battle Barge appropriately, missing only the chapter badge, but I can't help but wonder... is this a bit boring colour scheme? If yes, how do you suggest we spice it up to make the models stand out more? img59.photobucket.com/albums/v179/CELS83/?If you follow the link above, you'll see two different ships. One in a plain grey, and one with gold trims. Please tell me which you like better, and if you have other suggestions for the colours!
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Post by Destecado on Apr 29, 2004 18:01:13 GMT -5
What is the actual Chapter livery at the moment? Is it grey all over or is there another color on the shoulder pads and imperial eagle? If the chapter strikes from deep space or most of their actions are carried out in space, I think they would perhaps go with a color scheme in which the ship was not so visible over distances. A much darker ship would not reflect as much light and allow them to sneak up on their intended victims.
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Post by zholud on Apr 30, 2004 3:58:32 GMT -5
What is the actual Chapter livery at the moment? It is grey or blue-grey or dirty snow… our point is to make it different from Space Wolves, who also live on cold planet, wear grey and use Nordic mythology. Is it grey all over or is there another color on the shoulder pads and imperial eagle? White shoulderpads if this hasn’t changed, at least white outline on them. And silver eagle. If the chapter strikes from deep space or most of their actions are carried out in space, I think they would perhaps go with a color scheme in which the ship was not so visible over distances. A much darker ship would not reflect as much light and allow them to sneak up on their intended victims. Even in dark future they use radars and not visual observation to spot the enemy… the speeds are so great that when you see enemy you are dead… and CELS, I liked golden variant better, despite I’d add more silver.
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