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Post by Minister on Jan 26, 2004 16:25:56 GMT -5
he point on the mercinaries is simple, when you wish extra troops for an operation quickly, you hire mercs. Building up a large mercinary force from civilian recruits is possible, but it's infinatley preferable to use the best for small-scale terorist type options and then use the masses as cannon fodder.
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Post by CELS on Jan 26, 2004 16:29:32 GMT -5
Yes, I can see mercenaries being used for important precision strikes where you don't want to risk using Bob and Bunny the cultists...
I take it you don't object to the past war with the Alpha Legion, their presence in the Anargo sector and their method of operation then.
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Post by Minister on Jan 26, 2004 16:55:10 GMT -5
Nope. Although I would prefer that Dorvastor not have them there during the Crusade (which shouldn't be a problem). They only need to have an initial presence on a handfull of worlds to spread out from, after all.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 26, 2004 21:37:29 GMT -5
What are people talking about as a 'significant' presence of Alpha Legion troops? Sorry, I've only had time to skim-read and saw 'significant presence' and then malika's "maybe a 100 marines" and nearly splattered tea all over the computer screen... And what's all this 'not the true voice of Kage' business!? Hmmn, perhaps I should just change it to something else... like, erm, Moderator. Oh yes. And there was mention of an AL 'attack' simultaneous with a Waargh being "too much for the Anargo sector"? Say wha? This was the original premise of the AL in the sector... Kage
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Post by CELS on Jan 26, 2004 21:53:17 GMT -5
What are people talking about as a 'significant' presence of Alpha Legion troops? Sorry, I've only had time to skim-read and saw 'significant presence' and then malika's "maybe a 100 marines" and nearly splattered tea all over the computer screen... LMAO! *insert funny joke about Kage taking the project too seriously, and the english and their tea* Anyway, as you may remember, after the Heresy the Alpha Legion split up. Unlike the other Legions, the AL left behind a huge chunk of its forces, which spread out through the Imperium to continue a war behind enemy lines. The AL has fairly large forces spread throughout the Imperium, unlike most other Traitor Legions, which are based in the Eye of Terror. The question is how big a force would be found in the Anargo sector. Obviously, this would change a lot in time, as the Alpha Legion travel around all the time, raising cults, doing sabotage, etc. My idea was that the Alpha Legion was planning an attack against the Frost Wraiths company, and so had amassed an army of 100 Marines. In hindsight, I realize that this is... a lot, so maybe a number such as 50 would be more realistic. The original idea of only 5 Alpha Legionnaires is out the window if we're even considering my idea though. Even Chaos Space Marines don't want to fight Space Marines who outnumber them 200 to one And what's all this 'not the true voice of Kage' business!? Yeah..!?! *gets behind Kage* Oh yes. And there was mention of an AL 'attack' simultaneous with a Waargh being "too much for the Anargo sector"? Say wha? This was the original premise of the AL in the sector... Fair enough, but with the kind of AL attack I had in mind, this would break the back of the Imperials in Anargo. A sector-wide cultist uprising with millions of cultists and several squadrons of traitor Navy ships, at the same as the biggest Waaagh! in millennia... Sounds a bit more hectic than how I thought we wanted the Anargo. I mean, the cultists alone would require the undivided attention of each of the subsectors, and the entire Frost Wraith chapter. The Castellan subsector, unsupported by the other subsectors, would be overrun in the blink of an eye.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 27, 2004 8:51:15 GMT -5
The 'sector wide uprising' is something that could ultimately discussed as part of the future story of the Anargo sector or, perhaps, even the past history of the Anargo sector. Maybe it even ties into the 'Cursed subsector' concept? Kage
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Post by CELS on Jan 27, 2004 9:00:24 GMT -5
I saw it as being both past and future. They would have done so before, but were stopped by the Frost Wraiths (and the Imperial Guard, Navy, and Titan legion, obviously) and now they're preparing to do so again. As for the 'cursed subsector'... I think it's fairly obvious that something nasty must have happened there, which makes a Chaos incident better suited than a rebelling Cardinal, but we shall have to discuss that in the appropriate thread
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 27, 2004 9:06:26 GMT -5
Threads such as this tend to overlap, since they deal in concepts. It's as valid here as a general premise as on the "Cursed subsector" thread... Anyway, I would personally find it an interesting subject if a past rebellion linked to around the period of the Age of Apostacy was introduced... Then the future story of their obviously reduced presence could then be dealt with. For me, this would be interesting. The past conflict I see more as one of force on a limited scale... the future conflict I see one involving the aforementioned networks... Kage
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Post by Zidagar Dinoman on Jan 27, 2004 10:33:24 GMT -5
I really like the idea of having the Alpha Legion liberate the sector during the great crusade.
I also think that the Alpha Legion has been building up a signifigant force (think Blood Pact) to unleash against the Anargo Sector at just the right moments. The Frostwraiths are engaged in operations with Hunter Destroyers and Strike Cruisers to hunt down Alpha Leigon enclaves, perhaps assisted by the Altarran Rangers? (I know, shameless plug.)
Imagine a few chaos marines inflltrating a world, working for decades to build up a cult, then unleashing rebellion upon Imperial authorities. Frostwraiths would send marines and the sector command would send troops the put down the uprising. Then the AL marines would move on to another world to sew discord and strife!
-Dinoman
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Post by CELS on Jan 27, 2004 16:26:41 GMT -5
Ok, about the Great Crusade, note that it was the Alpha Legion and Imperial armies (like IG) that liberated the sector. The Dorvastor sector for example, was liberated completely without the help of the Alpha Legion. We should also consider if we want Alpharius in the sector. I don't recall actually reading any fan 'fluff' or fiction on the Primarchs, since people often consider them too holy to mess with. I think it would be super-cool if we could add something to the story of the Primarchs, without giving everything a "special twist" I will not support any idea that sets Alpharius in a different light than he already is, though there would of course be legends that might not be entirely truthful, especially in the Dorvastor sector. So please, no ideas on Alpharius really turning to chaos in the Anargo sector, or making Alpharius superior or inferior in any way that is not mentioned in fluff already. As for the later history of the Alpha Legion in the sector, I'm glad to see that it seems you all agree with my idea. The Alpha Legion would have started some kind of major rebellion in the past, and are now preparing for a similar attack. They do not seem to be using the momentum of the Ork waaagh!, but it is conceivable that they are just waiting for the waaagh! to finish, and then striking the Imperium when they least expect it, and from totally new angles. Now, to think about how the Alpha Legion would have affected the 'cursed sector'.... What if the Alpha Legion were to use the heresy in the Age of Apostacy to their advantage? Consider a war with three sides; Loyal Imperials, the evil Cardinal's forces, and the Alpha Legion.
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Post by Minister on Jan 27, 2004 17:09:46 GMT -5
One thought which ocours, perhaps if we have this as a joint action between the Alpa Legion and its attatched units and the 4th Independant Crusade Army. The Alphas took care of one part of the campaign, the Army the other. The Emperor arived in the sector, acompanied by his bodyguard, on a stopover as hea headed outwards to major campaigns to the south, primarily as a pep rally for the independant troops. The worlds conquered by the Alphas did not recive this treatment, as the Emperor felt that they did not require such molrale boosting.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 27, 2004 19:42:27 GMT -5
Interesting. Would you care to expand upon this idea? Kage
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Post by Minister on Jan 28, 2004 4:34:06 GMT -5
Erm... ;D
First things first, anyone have details on which areas of the Imperium were covered by the diferent legions? I do recall that the 13th took the Eastern Fringe, but is it known where the Alphas were concentrated?
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Post by Tynesh on Jan 28, 2004 6:46:40 GMT -5
Well I am back!
Maybe having the event in the far past is a better idea, lots of cleansing could have occured afterwards, but taint still remained. This could allow for many possible story lines to be introduced. If the AL prescence at present is a totally unknown one it would be much cooler. Something even the =][= does not suspect. The small number of marines in the sector could be like the 'guy in the shadows' person in crime stories, the 'higher power' that the smuggler or crime boss works for, never seen, never speaks, is just refered to by the man in charge.
This could also mean that people could easily develop the AL story from the marines POV, maybe creating a small veteran band maybe no more than 10 strong hiding in the sector.
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Post by malika on Jan 28, 2004 15:02:52 GMT -5
that was my original idea, but now there are talks of wars and all that, I dont mind, but then I want a company of Alpha Legionaires there
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