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Post by zholud on Jan 28, 2004 16:12:05 GMT -5
that was my original idea, but now there are talks of wars and all that, I dont mind, but then I want a company of Alpha Legionaires there 1st: I admire your original idea. It adds important bits to my sub! Heil you!! 2nd: "company": do you mean 100 marines?
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Post by malika on Jan 28, 2004 16:34:10 GMT -5
well I got kinda carried away, because later on there was an idea of creating bigger wars with them in this sector, so a company would have kicked ass...
but it is a bit extreme, some alpha legionaires leading a criminal organisation which is used to recuit new legionaires still is my favorite, and have them fight the other major organisation Aracnus (eldar controlled)
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 28, 2004 17:21:10 GMT -5
Well, welcome back! Maybe having the event in the far past is a better idea, lots of cleansing could have occured afterwards, but taint still remained. Yep, that is the idea and one that I'm keen on. This could allow for many possible story lines to be introduced. While I'm normally against the kind of prevaricating that is common in GW 'fluff', in this case I think it would be a good idea. So, as much as it means, this has my vote. If the AL prescence at present is a totally unknown one it would be much cooler. Hmmn, we should be careful with this type of argument. This 'open ended' approach is one of the things that I feel is worthy of the greatest criticism from GW. So, for the most part I think it would be best to determine the true presence of the AL and then monkey around with it in terms of the future story rather than just not bering specific... Remember what we describe 'objectively' is not ultimately what people are going to believe. And what people believe is sometimes more important than what is actually true! Kage
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Post by Femerenden on Mar 3, 2004 9:06:22 GMT -5
Hi, I am new to this place and my first look is to where i belong. The Chaos forum. So i have seen you guys are going to have Alpha's over the sector(Hiding or battling i do not care about them ). But as well i have seen you guys are looking for some other Chaos force present. My idea comes around here. As we know that the Great Crusades every where present force was the Iron Warriors. They have captured countless worlds(Even the GW can't count them so that the Index Astertates don't include #'s) and build a fortress in the captured world and left some man behind. After the Heresy the Loyalists have tried to dispose of them but due to the skill of the IW in siege warfare it took at least weeks to take out one. And no one can be sure about all of them being destroyed or taken back. May be one of them has been in this sector in an old forgotten planet whence IW helped Alpha's to take out the sector. And left in the planet 10-20 marines. After the Heresy this place has been a jump point for IW or Chaos but it cannot pose a real treat to anyone... So what about this?
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Post by malika on Mar 3, 2004 12:20:55 GMT -5
sounds like too much chaos space marine presence, 2 legions now...
Keep the marines out, maybe some cults or something with the remains in Iron Warrios fortifications, since they had to fortify and guard all kinds of outposts in the Imperium
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Post by Femerenden on Mar 3, 2004 13:26:10 GMT -5
Nope not two Legions. IW are no stupid to unmask themselves if they are aware of the Imperial presence(The imperials are yelling like Hey look we impearials are here come hit us!!!).
So as thier #'s are too weak even for a raid attack and their lack of spacecraft makes them unnoticable but this will add more caracter to the sector if we can run a campaign here. Like as the 13th Black Crusade comed to an end and Chaos forces has to drive forces from Cadian gate to make sure of their strongholds(Imperials got the control of the space). So may be an attack to this sector will be a diversion just to lure some Fleets and forces from the Cadian gate. Imperials cannot tolarate another heavy defeat as the second will result in an highway to Terra.
I think i will write the other thought in me to the Wargaming but aint this will be more caracterfull in an event?
Just the Presence of a Cult or Alpha's cannot make anything. Sooner or later Ordo Malleus or a Black Templar Crusade will make a pass through here and they will notice the traitors. So then? We will be without enemies for the Imperium this sector will be peacefull(The Orkses are not counted as they are always present in every inch of the galaxy).
I am trying to add some more selection for some actions.
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Post by zholud on Mar 3, 2004 14:38:17 GMT -5
Hi, I am new to this place and my first look is to where i belong. The Chaos forum. Hello to you and welcome to the project. Nice to see new people. But as well i have seen you guys are looking for some other Chaos force present. The very important point was that we tried to work out non-CSM force, because there are too many sectors in the Imperium to have more than one loyalist ad one traitors chapter/legion. After all we are fare from EOT. My idea comes around here. As we know that the Great Crusades every where present force was the Iron Warriors. They have captured countless worlds(Even the GW can't count them so that the Index Astertates don't include #'s) and build a fortress in the captured world and left some man behind. Those countless worlds are less that 2,500 because they had to get more that 10 person to monitor/defend fortress (despite it doesn’t defend planet or system in any way), so just 0.25% of Imperial worlds… but more I dislike the idea of planetary fortress per se, it just doesn’t have sense to keep marines here, after all they are attack shock troops. In a result, I guess we can have IW present but as a very small force, maybe leaders of some cult, 10-30 marines, some old as hell…
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Post by CELS on Mar 3, 2004 19:12:44 GMT -5
Hei Femerenden and welcome, welcome!
Your suggestion is interesting, on its own, but I have to agree with the others; the presence of two different Traitor legions in this sector would be very special.
But let me try to give you some other arguments on why I (unfortunately) do not agree with you on this matter.
1) The fact that the IW's had defences all around the Imperium is very interesting, but after the heresy, I don't see any reason why they would keep a force here (even if it is a small one). First of all, I'm sure the Iron Warriors were keen to meet Rogal Dorn on Terra and teach him a thing or two about the art of siege. Second, I'm sure the Imperials would have records of this IW fortification, and fall upon them like piranhas during the Great Scouring. Even if it took months or years to destroy this IW base, the Imperials would see it done. The Imperium is not known for tolerance, and besides, even Space Marines can only hold out for so long.
B) How would the Iron Warriors have survived for ten millennia on some forgotten planet? To benefit from immortality they would have to have the favour of chaos, and I don't see Khorne giggling with ecstasy because these Iron Warriors are stubbornly hanging on to a small fort in some backwater world. In other words, as long as these Iron Warriors arent' doing anything important (and please don't make a suggestion with them guarding some mysterious and fantasticly powerful artifact) they would be forsaken by their Gods and probably die.
C) I don't see how this planet could act as a jump-point for Chaos in this segmentum. If it was some sort of rally point where all chaos forces were drawn to like moths to a candle, chances are the Imperium would find it sooner or later. Also, remember that we're smack dab in the middle of the Imperium, so chaos forces would have to wade their way through a number of Imperial sectors to get here.
D) If you're thinking about possibilities for including Iron Warrior armies in a campaign, I really don't think it'll make much of a difference to have 10 Iron Warriors in the sector, since most 40k CSM armies have more than 10 models. Besides, Iron Warrior, Death Guard, World Eaters and any other traitor legion can pass as Alpha Legion forces in a campaign.
E) The Alphas are notoriously difficult to track down and destroy, and are GREAT at starting new cults to soak up the resources of the Inquisition and Imperium as a whole. Maybe several thousand Alpha Legionnaires have survived outside the Eye of Terror since the Horus Heresy (that's ten millennia), so I think the AL's in the sector would be able to survive for a bit longer. And the Black Templars aren't exactly everywhere either, nor are they known to be especially talented at sniffing out hiding enemies.
The Alpha Legion will start new cults and throw them at the Imperium, staying in the shadows like puppeteers and only revealing themselves every few centuries. The AL force in Anargo has not engaged the Imperium in many millennia!
In conclusion; We're all pretty happy with the Alpha Legion being the only Traitor Legion present in Anargo, and a not too major presence at that. That doesn't mean that the Alpha Legion will be the only chaos presence in the sector. Far from it. There will be many other chaos cults that could be unknown to the Alpha Legion, or even working against them. A cult amongst tribals on some feral world who worship a form of Khorne, some nobles on a hive world who seek to Slaanesh for new pleasures, etc. Don't worry. There will be lots of Chaos. Just not so many Traitor Marines.
EDIT- DAMN that post was long... I must stop rambling...
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Post by Femerenden on Mar 4, 2004 7:25:16 GMT -5
B) Systematicly changing marines to operate the Fortress, castle or deep space dock. Yes they will die if they just sit there and get no visitors i agree on this. C) As to the Despoilers and all of the Traitor Legions plans they all taken out a foothold in Cadian and near by sectors. And it has been know(Due to the fluff) many of the Traitor Legion are happen to have deep space facilities opperating in minimal opportunity and having only a stand-by or refuel stations(In some hell of a place that the Imperials will never look at may be just in orbit of Terra no one will ever look there ). So I am saying that may be IW have builded here a facility for refuel or some sort of thing. They are keeping here just to make sure Their attack on Sector X(May be a near sector of this) will have an outer base which they can refuel, re-arm or even re muster their forces. Important Note: If you do not really want another Traitor Legion it suits me as this is your sector. I am just thinkign it will be good for future campaigns that will took in the sector... So if you say no IW then i have to forget 3 out of 2 armies i have on table top
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Post by CELS on Mar 4, 2004 7:41:42 GMT -5
C) As to the Despoilers and all of the Traitor Legions plans they all taken out a foothold in Cadian and near by sectors. By the way, the Cadian sector is pretty damn far from the Anargo sector, IIRC. Something like half-way across the galaxy. I'm not saying this makes your argument less valid, I'm just informing you And it has been know(Due to the fluff) many of the Traitor Legion are happen to have deep space facilities opperating in minimal opportunity and having only a stand-by or refuel stations(In some hell of a place that the Imperials will never look at may be just in orbit of Terra no one will ever look there ). So I am saying that may be IW have builded here a facility for refuel or some sort of thing. They are keeping here just to make sure Their attack on Sector X (May be a near sector of this) will have an outer base which they can refuel, re-arm or even re muster their forces. I would have no problem with an ancient IW station dating back to the Great Crusade or Horus Heresy, hidden for millennia for the day when they return and will be in need of refuelling and such. Still, it doesn't make sense to have this station manned, nor does it make much sense for the Iron Warriors to appear in this sector. We're pretty far from the Eye of Terror and the Maelstrom, and Traitor Marines don't appear just anywhere in the galaxy, unlike daemons and cults. Important Note: If you do not really want another Traitor Legion it suits me as this is your sector. I am just thinkign it will be good for future campaigns that will took in the sector... So if you say no IW then i have to forget 3 out of 2 armies i have on table top I'm sorry to hear that, Femerenden. I can sympathise, since I play two chapters of Space Marines, neither of which are appearing in the Anargo sector at the moment I hope you're still interested in the project though, since there are lots of other interesting prospects other than sticking with your favourite army.
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Post by malika on Mar 6, 2004 7:42:04 GMT -5
Well maybe the Iron Warriors left a fortification...but the abandoned it after the Heresy...and now alpha legion use it as their base?
Or maybe the Orks came by and looted the whole place, and used it as their fort
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Post by CELS on Mar 6, 2004 8:52:38 GMT -5
Oooooooooooh, that last suggestion is interesting, since it opens for a seriously underestimated and unexplored concept..... CHAOS ORKS!!! And for all you non-believers, check out page 50 of Codex: Daemonhunters, put it in your pipe and smoke it. The Chaos Orks are out there, and they're super-cool. Especially because all we ever hear about are corrupted humans!
Blood for Gork, Skulls for Mork!! ;D
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Post by zholud on Mar 6, 2004 9:14:19 GMT -5
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Post by Minister on Mar 6, 2004 9:24:53 GMT -5
Now, how can I put this? ;D
NO!
Just to confirm that:
NOTA! NAY! NO HOW! NO WAY HOZAY! HOW ABOUT NOOO YA CRAZY DUTCH B@$£ARD!
+ Inquis(itor)'s note: *scottish accent* I can't do it, captain! I'm givin it all I've got! The unconstrructive posts are tooo many. I can't take the strrain, sirr.. +
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Post by Minister on Mar 6, 2004 11:36:34 GMT -5
Allright, in deference to Inquisitorial attention I will clarify my stance.
Chaos Orks are silly. Orks are about the most difficult major race to taint, and any small numbers will quickly be fragmented, and then jumped upon as "un-orky" by other greenskins. I say they stay out of the sector and, for preference, the enirety of 40K.
And I have read Daemonhunters.
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