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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 14, 2004 2:21:05 GMT -5
Brusilov recently took exception at the high populations evident on Anargo and, by implication, some of the other worlds (i.e. Tryphon)... World builders may wish to look at their populations and the ability of the population to be able to sustain itself, considering reducing it below the 10s of billion mark... I'm going to leave it at that since while I see some of the arguments, I don't see some of the others...  (Compounded with this is that Thracian Prime is considered a 'hiveworld' with a population of 20,000,000,000... For me it's more than something about mere population, but the argument is still there...) Kage |
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Post by CELS on Jun 16, 2004 3:40:48 GMT -5
Obviously, a planet's ability to sustain itself is going to depend on more than just its population. There's size, temperature and hydrosphere, for starters. Even with more than 10 billion citizens, the very largest habitable planets (with low density to avoid high gravity) can have lots of people and still lots of cultivated land. The fluff puts hiveworlds in the 100 billion - 500 billion range, and civilised worlds in 15 million to 10 billion range. What about 10 billion to 100 billion? Erm.. well. yes... that's another fluff hole, boys and girls Anyway, even though Thracian Prime has population of 'only' 20 billion, I don't think Abnett mentions the size of the planet. If it's a fantastically tiny planet, it will probably be covered with 'hives'. Thus, a planet's ability to sustain itself is something that will need to be looked individually, rather than making a complicated rule of thumb. IMHO |
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Post by zholud on Jun 16, 2004 5:38:02 GMT -5
Some time ago I had this discussion in BL Forum... here comes attached file with discussion for your interest. Here... Maybe long but some "official" answers. |
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Post by CELS on Jun 16, 2004 21:14:56 GMT -5
Perhaps you could give us some kind of summary, zholud, since ASP members are generally very busy people and this looks like a loooong read |
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Post by Philip on Jul 23, 2004 10:49:09 GMT -5
Brusilov recently took exception at the high populations evident on Anargo and, by implication, some of the other worlds (i.e. Tryphon)... World builders may wish to look at their populations and the ability of the population to be able to sustain itself, considering reducing it below the 10s of billion mark... I'm going to leave it at that since while I see some of the arguments, I don't see some of the others... (Compounded with this is that Thracian Prime is considered a 'hiveworld' with a population of 20,000,000,000... For me it's more than something about mere population, but the argument is still there...) KageOur Earth has 6 billion+, I don't think it looks or feels overpopulated. Perhaps you could give us some kind of summary, zholud, since ASP members are generally very busy people and this looks like a loooong read Quote Geifer: 'Simple calculation: metropolitan area of Mexico city has density 6,600 men per square km (Tokyo gets over 10,000, but Mexico is better example as the largest city (29 mlns) so averages are on the larger base and thus are statistically better) and the land (no ocean included despite they would be used as habitation place if need arises) is 135,799,290 sq km, thus with given density you can have 896,275,314,000 (almost 900 bn people!) packed no denser that in Mexico city area (which includes parks, etc and doesn’t has a lot of sky scrappers). With food, water and oxygen (most writers forget about the third, BTW) imported, no need of remaining on land and with creation of spire-like constructs Earth can keep over 4 trillions from nowadays 6.4 bn, so even 50 bn people aren’t enough for creating the hive…' =Officially=Officially and fluff wise 10 billion to 500 billion (with not a hydroponics module in sight!). There seems to be a difference in ahen to call a world a hive world. For smaller populations if they are housed in one or more super large buildings, the buildings are called hives (much like a bee hive), and therefore is a hive world because it has hives on it. Higher populations could be a hive, because the whole world is so densely populated that is in itself becomes a hive (much as the big buildings on the smaller populated worlds) =Mark=Mark's take was the first version. The hive like structures is what determines a world being called a hive, not the amount of people on it. |
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