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Post by CELS on Feb 24, 2004 10:15:31 GMT -5
After a very quick discussion on Portent, it seems that Aestimare is a simple measure of how 'valuable' a world is. Here are a few examples - Cadia, Fortress world - A3
- Thracian Primaris, Industrial world - A350
- Chinchare, Mining world - G130
- Hydra Cordatus, Dead world - Z1
- Belial IV, Xenos world - Z666
- Belis Corona, Dead world - K500
- Agripinaa, Industrial world - B30
- Mars, Forge world - A1
Following suggestions by the wise men of Portent, and based on the guidelines set by GW in the rulebook, I have devised a rough guideline for determining a planet's Aestimare value - A = Sector capitals, subsector capitals, ancient hive worlds, forge worlds, critical fortress worlds, the most productive industrial worlds, Space Marine homeworlds.
- B-C = Heavily populated and productive civilised worlds, most industrial worlds, hive worlds, possibly the most productive mining worlds, agriworlds and research stations.
- D-H = Civilised worlds of low population and with low tithe grade, feudal worlds, feral worlds, most deathworlds, research stations, mining worlds, garden worlds, agri worlds and shrine worlds
- I- Z = Dead worlds and alien worlds...
A few important notes. - Mars is A1, Cadia is A3. Consider how important Cadia is to the Imperium. I don't think the Anargo sector is likely to have any worlds that are higher than A100, with the obvious exception of Anargo itself, and Proteus (no, I'm not biased. It's a forgeworld over ten millennia old! It's important!). - The Aestimare system seems to be that A9 is higher that A10, which in turn is higher than A100, and with A999 being higher than B1. - When setting an Aestimare value for your planet, cross-check my suggestion with GW's values in the rulebook, Worlds of the Imperium, p. 114-115. There are obviously exceptions to the rule, such as research stations with Aestimare A760. As for the discussion of how the Imperium calculates a planet's Aestimare value... I have no idea, and I wouldn't really care to go in detail about it, but I suppose it's calculated with focus on tithe grade, population, strategic importance, etc. |
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Post by zholud on Feb 24, 2004 12:50:07 GMT -5
After a very quick discussion on Portent, it seems that Aestimare is a simple measure of how 'valuable' a world is. Here are a few examples - Cadia, Fortress world - A3
- Thracian Primaris, Industrial world - A350
- Chinchare, Mining world - G130
- Hydra Cordatus, Dead world - Z1
- Belial IV, Xenos world - Z666
- Belis Corona, Dead world - K500
- Agripinaa, Industrial world - B30
- Mars, Forge world - A1
Following suggestions by the wise men of Portent, and based on the guidelines set by GW in the rulebook, I have devised a rough guideline for determining a planet's Aestimare value. IMHO all sector’s capitals and SM Chapter homeworlds are Axx or Axxx, all civilised, including hives, etc are Bxxx-Dxxx and the rest are less important worlds. Some examples – Titan is A66  |
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Post by CELS on Feb 24, 2004 13:25:57 GMT -5
I don't know if you meant to be agreeing or disagreeing with me here, zholud, but yes, like I said, sector capitals and space Marine homeworlds are A (xx or xxx). Obviously, Titan is special because the Grey Knights are much more valuable than most other Space Marine chapters, and because GW has a love for the number 666 which is getting old If you're suggesting that all Civilised worlds and hive worlds are B-D, and that all other worlds are E-Z, then I would have to disagree. I did not pull my suggestion out of my a**, you know  The Worlds of the Imperium article clearly states that also research stations (Axxx and less), feudal worlds (Cxxx and less), forge worlds (Ax and less), agri worlds (Cxxx and less) and even death worlds (Dxxx and less) can be placed in the category you reserved for hive worlds and civilised worlds only. Likewise, civilised worlds and hive worlds can apparently be classified as low as Exxx and Fxxx, which also contradicts what you propose. I must insist that my own suggestion is super cool and quite valid ;D |
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Post by zholud on Feb 24, 2004 13:49:44 GMT -5
I don't know if you meant to be agreeing or disagreeing with me here, zholud,;D It is rare case when I completely agree, especially taking to the notion that in was me, who pointed on inserting it and who made up Aestimare for all own planets before this thread on similar principles. I agree that no specific limit that Hiveworld is below one or above another limit is exist, only that most are in those limits. After all Terra is Hiveworld de facto and it is over limits set in rule book. |
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Post by CELS on Feb 24, 2004 14:05:59 GMT -5
Oh, well, I'm glad that you agree with me!  I never really doubted that you'd disagree with the usage of Aestimare though, I was just worried that you would disagree with the guidelines for grading worlds (I.e. industrial worlds are typically Bx to Cxxx, etc) |
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 27, 2004 15:58:30 GMT -5
It would be interested to see the tithe system as something other than a purely anecdotal process. Kage |
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Post by zholud on Mar 3, 2004 11:42:25 GMT -5
It would be interested to see the tithe system as something other than a purely anecdotal process. I will do it one day. I promise |
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Post by shenren on May 30, 2004 19:46:10 GMT -5
Adeptus astartes worlds do not follow the classification A.
It all depends how valuable the world is, independently if it is a space marines homeworld.
The best example of all could be Macragge (which astartes world is more important) is only classified as a measly D0.
the letter seems to be a description of the population level of the given planet. The number must be the strategical, political or economical value of the world.
Anago is a subsector capital, therefore the number should be very low. 0,1 or 2.
Population wise it would be in the B-C range.
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Post by Kage2020 on May 30, 2004 21:28:51 GMT -5
Welcome shenren... you bring up a point I was going to mention earlier. Do we have any further consistent information on the aestimare for a world? Kage |
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Post by CELS on May 31, 2004 9:13:19 GMT -5
Actually, I'm going to have to disagree with you, shenren. Thracian Primaris for example is rated A350, and it's the capital of a very large and important Imperial subsector. It is protected by five Ramilies (sp?) class star fortresses.
According to what you suggest, the number '350' should denote a fairly low value, but this is clearly a very high value world.
Thus, I must insist once again that my system, however vague, is more accurate. A350 is slightly more than B1, for example.
Hmm, but I'll try to find an explanation for why they use both letters and numbers....
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 1, 2004 5:25:49 GMT -5
I think it would be interesting and useful if we could create some broad guidelines such that we could link it - as much as possible! - to the Guide. At the moment it suffers from the same problem as a great deal of the 40k 'fluff': you've got to know it to utilise it. For me, the 'tithe/ aestimare' classifications are new and, since I don't read the new GW material that often, it is sometimes difficult to be able to correlate enough 'stamp collecting' information to be able to make firm decisions. Indeed, this is one of those reasons that I primarily deal more in concepts than in specifics. I'll leave that to the people who are willing to spend money on GW products... I think it would be useful, however, if instead of reference this threads in the 'standard representation' thread, some solid guidelines are posted there. Or, indeed, we determine them separately and I post them into the Guide document. Kage |
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Post by CELS on Jun 1, 2004 5:35:33 GMT -5
Interesting, useful and time-consuming. For me, the tithes and aestimare are details. I'd much rather spend two hours working on my ork essay (which is what I'm doing now) than on trying to figure out the intricate mechanics of aestimare. And to be honest, I wouldn't be very surprised if there wasn't any mechanic or formula behind it (from GWs side)
I'm tempted to ask GW at this point, since we have a few people on Portent that might have the answer, like Gav Thorpe and Andy Hoare. What say you?
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 1, 2004 5:50:15 GMT -5
Given the rest of the 'fluff', I would be ultimately surprised to find out that there was some consistent application to the tithe/aestimare 'thang'... Kind of the reason that I would have liked one here. For me it seems, broadly, like a combination of a number of the statistics that we produce: Trade Codes, Population, TL, Resource and Export... Might not be that hard to provide loose guidelines that go beyond a reference to world 'type' (i.e. subsector capital). Kage |
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I never really doubted that you'd disagree with the usage of Aestimare though, I was just worried that you would disagree with the guidelines for grading worlds (I.e. industrial worlds are typically Bx to Cxxx, etc)
