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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 16, 2004 10:21:09 GMT -5
Even though the Predator influence is rather obvious, I still think that this race could have a lot of potential if done in the correct way. I mean, the Kroot always struck me as something that at least visually worked pretty heavily off of Predator. I am, however, worried about the direction that their technology is taking. It is far too high. Likewise I find the description of their homeworld with the number of ships, the defence platforms, and so on, to be highly off-putting. Kage
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Post by CELS on Jan 16, 2004 12:07:09 GMT -5
I agree. Any thoughts on what in particular should be tuned down, in terms of technology and the homeworld imagery?
Personally, I think stealth technology should be rather limited. The idea of a sole squad of Predator-like aliens is rather appealing, but that all of these hunters have stealth armour... Perhaps give them cameleoline. They won't be completely invisible, but it will be more credible.
As for the planet, I say reduce the number of space stations and orbiting ships, and perhaps just let extreme pollution hide the planet. If you can find a reason for lots and lots of space debris, that might fit your purpose as well.
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Post by malika on Jan 16, 2004 21:54:39 GMT -5
yes yes you are right, it might be a bit over pwoered, lemme write some stuff 2morrow Im kidna drunk now
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Post by malika on Jan 17, 2004 7:38:33 GMT -5
I agree. Any thoughts on what in particular should be tuned down, in terms of technology and the homeworld imagery? Personally, I think stealth technology should be rather limited. The idea of a sole squad of Predator-like aliens is rather appealing, but that all of these hunters have stealth armour... Perhaps give them cameleoline. They won't be completely invisible, but it will be more credible. As for the planet, I say reduce the number of space stations and orbiting ships, and perhaps just let extreme pollution hide the planet. If you can find a reason for lots and lots of space debris, that might fit your purpose as well. Well ok, we do that, lots of debris and polution around the planet, there are still many ship and space stations in orbit, but not as much as first. Stealth suit, ok it will be an upgrade, only the best hunters are allowed to have it, the normal hunters just have to find their own way to hide, uhm the steath capabilities would be kinda comparable with the eldar ranger then...uhm nah more to the eldar pathfinder. Ok, then maybe also drop the cloaking ablities of the ships. But these guys will still be masters in boaring actions
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Post by Sojourner on Jan 17, 2004 12:32:31 GMT -5
How about giving them plasma-like weapons, but not *actual* plasma guns in the sense of the Imperial design?
Possibly a solid slug made from an exotic crystal substance found on their home planet, which exhibits cold fusion when subjected to (say) a powerful electrostatic burst, and thus production of plasma without a sustained containment field?
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Post by malika on Jan 17, 2004 12:36:49 GMT -5
hmm inside crystal shells..I like that, the other stuff sounded all so smart *feels stupid* but I like that idea...I think Im gonna put that in ;D
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 17, 2004 16:00:38 GMT -5
Nope... no cold fusion. Kage
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Post by CELS on Jan 17, 2004 19:16:41 GMT -5
So Malika, have you given any thought to where you want your aliens? I guess it would be cool to have them near the 'other subsector', since it would add to its mystery (for the Imperium). But then it would mean that there would be a full-scale war against them as soon as the colonisation picked up, probably.
You could always place them far away from all Imperial subsectors, which would make it more likely that they are undiscovered, increase their survivability, but make hunting a very time-consuming thing, unless they have some kind of navigators.
It sounds to me that the concept has matured somewhat, and you should be ready to get down and dirty, and ponder about what the race's social structure would be like, their non-military technology, government, etc, and maybe even get started on creating their planet.
That is, unless people have more objections......
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Post by zholud on Jan 18, 2004 7:31:50 GMT -5
Heh, haven’t been here, on forums for the week and won’t came again soon... so, what we have here? Another Predator? Must be my bad mood responsible for this very skeptical post, so sorry n advance Nit-picks.- Old race with high tech but a single world is a kind of strange solution. Are they reproduction is so bad? Then why haven’t they died at the eve of own evolution, w/o all those support systems/
- “big giant world” is a kind of strange English, but the further description is worse. If the size of the planet is close to a small star and it is solid the gravity there should be enormous (hundreds of g, w/o grav-suspension every known race is inch-thin layer of minced meat, even bones probably shatter... and BTW planet itself could turn to the black hole, but it’s another question. So make it either just large planet, or maybe some gaseous form (theoretically possible) inside which the live (cf. Integral Trees book)
- Hunters that chase cure already exist in 40k, they are Tyranids, so maybe change their aim.
- Again colonization issue – why don’t they pack and move to more suitable place?
- Plasma tech – first of all it is bad in preserving prey and gives impression that “we use it because we can” argument.
saying all that I have to admit that I see serious potential in this race and I highly encourage everyone interested to work on its development, but slow down please, stop creating supermen here and there just because they look cool.
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Post by malika on Jan 18, 2004 8:52:57 GMT -5
I am toning them down, if you read the whole thread you might have noticed Im slowly working on that. About the big giant planet thing, I dont have physics or anything like that, so how should I know how all that stuff works The hunters who find a cure are a section of hunter society, just a few actually hunt for the cure, since they are hired by the scientist.Most other hunters hunt for tropheys And yes I have been thinking of removing the plasma tech, I have been thinking about soemthing in the means of "light technology" burtst of light, maybe some sort of lastech. And the staying on their home world...I still have to work on that, I'd prolly give it a cultural reason, I mean terra during the age of strife was one blob of crap, same goes for terra after the horus heresy, it was crap. Eldar have the same, they are now trying to reclaim their former home worlds, they just could have used some new worlds as their new homes
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Post by CELS on Jan 18, 2004 10:24:53 GMT -5
Heh, haven’t been here, on forums for the week and won’t came again soon... Well, I'm glad to see you're making good use of the occasion Old race with high tech but a single world is a kind of strange solution. Are they reproduction is so bad? Then why haven’t they died at the eve of own evolution, w/o all those support systems/ My point exactly, as you may have read in some of my posts. They would obviously have become this weak after the rise of technology, probably because of the pollution, or some kind of disease. “big giant world” is a kind of strange English, but the further description is worse. If the size of the planet is close to a small star and it is solid the gravity there should be enormous (hundreds of g, w/o grav-suspension every known race is inch-thin layer of minced meat, even bones probably shatter... and BTW planet itself could turn to the black hole, but it’s another question. So make it either just large planet, or maybe some gaseous form (theoretically possible) inside which the live (cf. Integral Trees book) Such a 'hollow' planet sounds veeery inplausible to me. It might be theoretically possible, but... Good point about the planet. Hunters that chase cure already exist in 40k, they are Tyranids, so maybe change their aim. No one knows the motive of the Tyranids. Perhaps they are just trying to survive, like most other races, and perhaps they're collecting all that bio-mass for an uknown purpose, such as colonisation. No one knows, so I'm sure the cure-idea isn't spoken for. Again colonization issue – why don’t they pack and move to more suitable place? Extremely good point, which I'm ashamed for not thinking of. Plasma tech – first of all it is bad in preserving prey and gives impression that “we use it because we can” argument. Hmmm, good point, but perhaps they use special weapons on the people they want to preserve. If say, they want a female human specimen, they use their destructive weapons to fight their way past PDF, and then use some kind of chemical or electrical weapon on the women themselves. saying all that I have to admit that I see serious potential in this race and I highly encourage everyone interested to work on its development, but slow down please, stop creating supermen here and there just because they look cool. Way ahead of you, zholud! I am toning them down, if you read the whole thread you might have noticed Im slowly working on that. It's a lengthy process, I know. About the big giant planet thing, I dont have physics or anything like that, so how should I know how all that stuff works Well, now you do anyways The hunters who find a cure are a section of hunter society, just a few actually hunt for the cure, since they are hired by the scientist. Most other hunters hunt for tropheys I suppose they are hired by the government, right? Or does the government not endorse actions to save the race? And the staying on their home world...I still have to work on that, I'd prolly give it a cultural reason, I mean terra during the age of strife was one blob of crap, ... and warp travel was impossible, making it difficult to colonise.... same goes for terra after the horus heresy, it was crap. Not as crap as this planet though. Eldar have the same, they are now trying to reclaim their former home worlds, they just could have used some new worlds as their new homes Again, the Eldar planets are not as crap as this planet. The Eldar planets are usually terraformed, I think, and fairly comfy.
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Post by malika on Jan 18, 2004 10:36:24 GMT -5
well some factions in the government think they should find a cure, while others seem to just want to wait to die.
after the fall they became deamon worlds, the hunter homeworld might have been a beautiful planet once, but because of the polution it was too dangerous, and the hunters started to die
that is a good point, I havent though of that yet, I think they might have some small colonies, but the factions in the government might disagree on this, some of them want to colonise, while others wasnt to stay.
They used to be healthy, the polution turned them into what they are now.
the disease affects them on a genetic level, their offspring are also born with the disease, and are slowly dying, hence the need of the suits, escaping to another place wont cure them, it might be a new home for them, but it isnt the solution
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Post by Sojourner on Jan 22, 2004 6:34:17 GMT -5
OK, well I still like my crystal idea.
How about a magnetic crystal of some description which responds to magnetic fields i.e. railgun ammo, while this also destabilises its structure and causes it to go BOOM shortly after leaving the barrel...
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Post by malika on Jan 22, 2004 11:49:34 GMT -5
hmm the crystal shells, filled with different toxins, some might only paralize, while others kill, and other might even melt through light armour
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