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Post by Kage2020 on May 18, 2004 9:46:36 GMT -5
Just a random thought the other day, but it's obvious that the eldar are broadly "into" necromancy or at least techno-mancy. That is, after all, what the Infinity Circuit is... But that reminded me about one of the original descriptions of the eldar Avatar who came to "rest in the body of an eldar, changing it into a daemonic form" (paraphrased). I wonder how many other technologies of the eldar are altered biological forms, even eldar forms? (Personally I'm going for not a lot, but as I said it was a random thought. I'm also guessing that people would assume that this is stepping on the toes of Tyranids and, after all, no two races in the 40k universe can have overlapping concepts on technology!  ) Kage |
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Post by Destecado on May 18, 2004 9:57:52 GMT -5
An interesting thought....are you saying that wraithbone might have an organic component and that maybe the inhabiting of the eldar spirit in such things as a wraithlord or wraithguard would be akin to possession?
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Post by Kage2020 on May 18, 2004 10:03:57 GMT -5
Not quite since, for me, wraithbone (and other psychoplastics) already have an organic, or at least carbonaceous, component to them... It was really just a random thought whether the 'changed' shape of that original avatar based upon an eldar forum might be extended to wraithlords, etc.? I'm not going to buy into it myself since I see these as technomantic (more technological than magic at that) constructs, but just thought that I would open up the random thought and see where it took people. Kage |
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Post by Destecado on May 18, 2004 10:09:13 GMT -5
Going on a tangent, how similar would you say the avatar is to a C'tan? I know in the fluff, there is some references to Kaela Mensha Khaine assisting and also fighting them. Is there a similarity between the necrodermis of the C'tan and the shell that encloses the fragments of the bloody handed god?
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Post by Kage2020 on May 18, 2004 10:27:04 GMT -5
This is something that I have long argued with the eldar technology: that they ultimately gain quite a lot of inspiration from their enemies! I would find that there is significant parallel between the Avatar and the C'tan necrodermis and, indeed, I find the same parallel with the wraithguard/lords... Kage |
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Post by Destecado on May 18, 2004 10:39:55 GMT -5
Interesting to think that the eldar became more like the enemy that they were trying to fight than they are willing to admit. What clinches it for me is the sacrifice of the young king to awaken the Avatar....that definitely has C'tan overtones.
Another interesting thought. Slaanesh can not access the spirits trapped in soul stones. Could this technology have originally been produced to prevent the C'tan from eating the souls of the eldar they killed? It seems that the technology to predate the emergence of Slaanesh. What are your thoughts?
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Post by Kage2020 on May 18, 2004 17:19:19 GMT -5
The C'tan thing doesn't work since the C'tan do not "eat souls", but rather... something else. It's never been quite clear what they eat and why it is 'flavoured' so much more significantly than, say, the EM radiation of a star (of which there is more)... But yes, I'm rather fond of the idea that the eldar technologies inherently mimic some aspects of C'tan/Necron technology. I find it disturbingly... poignant. It's another reason why I'm keen that they use reactionless thrusters, a feature which the 'fluff' would suggest that the Necrons use... Kage |
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Post by Destecado on May 18, 2004 17:49:32 GMT -5
Maybe we could contact GW to see if we could get a better explanation...it sometimes works. I'm not so sure about the C'tan not consuming the souls of the Necrontyr. some of the fluff provided in the Necron Cannon Fluff thread seams to indicate that they did. Maybe it was the assosciated emotions that came with the energy that made it more tasty to the C'tan. Star energy would be like eating tofu...it will keep you alive, but is pretty bland. Necrontyr or living souls would be like eating sirloin steak....(or something like that). I still think that the "tastiness" of the souls were more of a Necrontyr explanation than an actuality. If the C'tan could go back to feeding off of stars, there would have been no need for them to have goneinto stasis. I still think that the Necrodermis makes it impossible for them to feed from stars. this means that they were forced to find an alternative energy soures and living souls were the most readily available sourse. |
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