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Post by malika on Jan 25, 2004 15:29:37 GMT -5
Ok Im curious, Kage mentioned that I should post a thread about this here, so I will ;D
There will be outcast ships present (I dont really understand what Kage meant with "sanctioned" and "non-sanctioned") and also some craftworld eldar ships (for defence of the colony I assume)
But these outcasts...are there going to be some pirate warbands in the sector? maybe in the "other sector" some asteroid belt where all the pirates are hiding?
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 25, 2004 19:43:44 GMT -5
Everything depends on what you want to term as an Outcast. The 'fluff' seems clear - or rather confused - on the nature of Outcasts. Thus I define the following (up for dicussion): that Outcasts can or cannot serve a function to eldar society which otherwise is beyond the defined 'constraints' of craftworld society without being 'controlled' by that society. There are others (non-sanctioned) which serve no purpose to the craftworld yet which still exist. I can see both types being evident... but the question here is not the presence, but the automatic over-presence which is normally assumed in fan 'fluff'. The point being that things will not be as simple as the 'fluff' would indicate. Why? Well, because that is deliberately superficial. Thus, again, it is up for discussion. At present I would say that CE defence ships are limited to smaller vessels (not even capital ships), if present at all. Automated defences might be offer further protection beyond the reactive measures of assigned defences (i.e. armies or fleets). Outcast (sanctioned) would be present in a limited form, offering those functions that are defined in the 'fluff'. You can tell me yourself what they are, although I'm guessing that I already know...  As to non-sanctioned outcasts (pirates rather than corsairs, by definition) are another concept. I could see them being present, but again in a limited fashion. The definition of 'limited' is, of course, up for discussion... Kage |
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Post by CELS on Jan 26, 2004 9:01:48 GMT -5
Btw, Kage, a Void Stalker is an Eldar Battleship May I ask why there won't be any major CE military fleet? I would think that an Eldar homeworld would be worth a certain level of protection. |
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Post by malika on Jan 26, 2004 9:04:12 GMT -5
I agree with CELS on this...
I would love to see a eldar pirate warband, a small fleet attacking ork and imperial transports
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 26, 2004 21:22:36 GMT -5
May I ask why there won't be any major CE military fleet? I would think that an Eldar homeworld would be worth a certain level of protection. It is not a homeworld, just a colony which is "in the sticks", as it were. There is no need for a substantial battle fleet, but yes it is protected. I just don't see the point for an innocuous world to have a substantial battle-fleet when it already enjoys the protection - rapid reaction protection - of the craftworld. All just to float around in space around the world and draw more attention... Again, however, that does not mean it is going to be devoid of military resources. It's just that I don't see them being as significant as to warrant the level of attention that others seem to be suggesting... Kage |
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Post by CELS on Jan 26, 2004 21:26:05 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't know the difference between Eldar colony and Eldar homeworld  Anyway, if the colony benefits from the protection of the craftworld (and its fleet), then the problem is solved. There might not be an Eldar battleship cruising around, but it will have been sighted when and if the Eldar have participated in space combat in the sector the past millennia. |
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 31, 2004 7:59:40 GMT -5
I maybe going a little off topic here but since this is a colony world ‘in the sticks’ to use Kage’s terminology, would it have monitoring stations in orbit or on its moon(s) to act as an early warning system rather than having Eldar ships guarding it?
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 31, 2004 9:37:04 GMT -5
...would it have monitoring stations in orbit or on its moon(s) to act as an early warning system rather than having Eldar ships guarding it? Yes, that's one of the things that I mentioned above. Given that access to heavy military resources can be achieved rapidly through the Webway, it is to detection and early-warning to give the eldar breathing space to summon those resources that will be important. Yes, the colony will have military resources, but at this point there is no substantial need to have fleets of warships in orbit... As to those detection resources, the nature of those is obviously up for discussion, although I would argue that they would be slightly further away than the nearest moon! Kage |
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Post by malika on Jan 31, 2004 9:41:09 GMT -5
ok, no colony related fleets, but pirate warbands just seem to be cool...maybe one?
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Post by Zidagar Dinoman on Jan 31, 2004 10:35:51 GMT -5
I suggest we wait in deciding the composition of Craftworld fleets. Specialist games is currently working on a Craftworld range which will be different from the pirate list in the BFG bluebook.
Furthur, a small Eldar Pirate fleet would be cool. So now we have Eldar Pirates, Dark Eldar Raiders, and Ork invasion and Alpha Legion insurrectionists. Yep, this is the 40k I signed up for!
-Dinoman
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Post by CELS on Jan 31, 2004 10:45:50 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about Eldar pirates myself. This sector is getting a bit crowded... perhaps have Eldar pirates swing by every few centuries or something, if everyone must have some Eldar pirates. Personally, I feel that the Dark Eldar fill that role perfectly. With Dark Eldar pirates, the human pirates in the Meksum subsector, and the occasional Alpha Legion convoy raid, adding Eldar pirates turns this into the caribbean of Segmentum Ultima.
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Post by Zidagar Dinoman on Jan 31, 2004 10:49:35 GMT -5
Arg matey! Shiver me timbers! Make 'em walk the plank! But why is the rum gone?
All pirate jokes aside, I would have to agree. Either Dark Eldar pirates or Eldar Pirates, not both.
-Dinoman
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Post by malika on Jan 31, 2004 10:51:01 GMT -5
ok lets go for dark eldar ;D maybe some mercenaries?
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 31, 2004 18:52:15 GMT -5
I suggest we wait in deciding the composition of Craftworld fleets. Specialist games is currently working on a Craftworld range which will be different from the pirate list in the BFG bluebook. That's interesting. I'll wait to see what they do with that... I would like to point out, however, that we were not determining craftworld fleet resources. In fact, I was against incorporating any warships... Kage |
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