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Post by zholud on Jun 15, 2004 4:55:38 GMT -5
I'd like to throw my hat into the ring on this one. My new order needs a home. Does any forge world in the system need a sisterly presence? We work cheap. The new ( apocryphal ) Order is a possibility, but I’m against it at the moment. The number of Sisters in Ordos Militant is about 60,000, i.e. less even that 1,000,000 of marines, so presence of new Order is close to the problem of Another Chapter discussed elsewhere. But you may drop your fluff and try to persuade me (and others). And no Forge world for sure… Adeptus Mechanicus will prefer to meet an Ork invasion that to allow adherent members of Imperial Cult to run around, possible even upsetting Machine God. Remember, we try to create average, not ultra-kewl sector filled with superheroes.
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Vatsyayana on Jun 16, 2004 1:39:12 GMT -5
The new ( apocryphal ) Order is a possibility, but I’m against it at the moment. The number of Sisters in Ordos Militant is about 60,000, i.e. less even that 1,000,000 of marines, so presence of new Order is close to the problem of Another Chapter discussed elsewhere. But you may drop your fluff and try to persuade me (and others). And no Forge world for sure… Adeptus Mechanicus will prefer to meet an Ork invasion that to allow adherent members of Imperial Cult to run around, possible even upsetting Machine God. Remember, we try to create average, not ultra-kewl sector filled with superheroes. That can be done. Working on the fluff as we speak. If I have enough time, might have it posted before the weekend. The purpose for my post was due to the fact that I inherited a collection of different vehicles from various players. But, since I want to run a sisters army, I decided to use those vehicles as salvaged/captured units. I've also got a few VDR style vehicles and mechs from model kits. Hence the reason I was thinking some kind of close ties with a forge world. I was also thinking the fledgling chapter probably wouldn't be more than 200 strong and would therefore need to use any equipment it can to kep its strength up. Besides, there is a certain irony in defeating your enemy with thier own equipment. They wouldn't be super-heros, just colorful and eclectic. Oh, and can anyone think of a good place for them if not a forge world?
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Vatsyayana on Jun 16, 2004 8:21:00 GMT -5
Here's the fluff. --------------------- The Order of the White Star The sisters of the Order of the White Star were formed by the Ecclesiarchy in response to the increased traffic and conflict within the Anargo region, as well as the Segmentum. The Order would augment the standard duties that were required of the sisters. Their second function was to act as a surgical strike team for various threats in and to the region. This second mandate has kept their numbers low, since the Ecclesiarchy thinks that a strike team doesn’t need great numbers of personnel. Currently, the Order of the White Star has only 200 battle sisters in its organization, making it a preceptory in size, even though it has been given order status. Their limited numbers has been a constant issue for the Canoness. There of course have been a number of reasons for their limited personnel. The Order of the Martyred Lady, still reeling from its losses on Armageddon, has been receiving the bulk of replacements. The presence of the Order of the Bloody Rose in Anargo also receives the higher number of replacements, as they are deemed more worthy given their operational size and mandate. The Order of the White Star is also considered lesser to the Order of the Bloody Rose in regards to supply requisitions. This has left the canoness with a problem, how to keep her numbers up and succeed with the assigned missions. To that end, the canoness came to some bold decisions. First, the canoness enlisted the aide of the Red Redemption on a more full time basis. The Red Redemption would provide additional troops, while the Order would provide them with enemy weapons and supplies to continue their fight. Second, the canoness struck a deal with the head priest of the forge world Proteous. The canoness offered the tech priests one captured alien vehicle or technological item for every three captured. In return, the tech-priests would sanction and bless the use of captured equipment. With the Order of the White Star being assigned to attack Tau and Eldar targets, chances of such captured technology was high. The tech-priests agreed. Since that time, the Order of the White Star has been very successful in providing Proteous with alien technology. The Order also has additional vehicles and equipment from which to augment its abilities in completing assigned missions. Eldar and Tau vehicles have been highly prized, as the battle sisters are about the same bodily size as both races. The Order also prizes walkers as weapon platforms, and Proteous has provided a few prototypes to the order for use and trails. A few radicals within the Ecclesiarchy have voiced complaints about the use of alien equipment, but the Order’s ability to complete missions has kept those voices muted.
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Post by malika on Jun 16, 2004 8:29:48 GMT -5
Capturing Xenos technology? The Ecclesiarchy capturing Xenos technology? Sounds like heresy to me. If alien technology would be captured, the Death Watch and radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitors or even radical tech priests would be doing that, but not the religious wing of the Imperium
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Vatsyayana on Jun 16, 2004 8:38:23 GMT -5
Capturing Xenos technology? The Ecclesiarchy capturing Xenos technology? Sounds like heresy to me. If alien technology would be captured, the Death Watch and radical Ordo Xenos Inquisitors or even radical tech priests would be doing that, but not the religious wing of the Imperium It's not heresey if it's approved and sanctioned.
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Post by malika on Jun 16, 2004 8:42:59 GMT -5
True..but this does sound like heresy, some inquisitors might see it as heresy.
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Vatsyayana on Jun 16, 2004 8:48:30 GMT -5
True..but this does sound like heresy, some inquisitors might see it as heresy. True, but it also depends on how heretical it would be. If the sisterhood is viewed by its subjects with only Imperial made goods, then no harm no foul. When on the battlefield, how better to add insult to injury then using the enemies own equipment against them. Such equipment is blessed and sanctified in the name of the Emperor of course.
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Post by Sojourner on Jun 16, 2004 9:57:07 GMT -5
I've heard enough. BURN HIM
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Post by malika on Jun 16, 2004 12:29:07 GMT -5
Inquisitors with a bunch of Space Marines and Imperial Guard versus these heretical Sororitas
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Post by CELS on Jun 17, 2004 0:13:35 GMT -5
Ok, lately I've been really hesitant to complain about spamming, seeing how the ASP is teeming with life, but... let's not push it The purpose of the Order of the White Star... a surgical strike team for whom? The Imperium already has lots of surgical strike teams, most importantly the Imperial Guard, the IG storm troopers (and Inquisitiorial storm troopers) and the Space Marines. In special missions, the Officio Assassinorum is also used, of course. Adeptas Sororitas and Adeptus Mechanicus... despite the occassional animosity between the AM and the Ecclessiarchy, there's nothing wrong with these two forces working together. I do not really see the point of the Sororitas being stationed on a forgeworld. The Sororitas have a really specific purpose and very few numbers. A couple of hundred of these on a forgeworld would really make little difference, since Proteus is already guarded by millions of Tech Guard and many Titans of Legio Lancea. Adeptas Sororitas and Xenos technology... sorry, but I don't like this at all. Most factions within the Adeptus Mechanicus do have a great interest in xenos technology, for various reasons, but I don't like the idea of Sororitas driving around in Falcons and Wave Serpents. 1) The resources needed to understand and repair salvaged alien vehicles can probably be used to build ten times as many Imperial vehicles. 2) The Adeptus Mechanicus doesn't just sanction and approve anything. Sure, there are radical factions within the Adeptus Mechanicus, like the Inquisition, but Proteus is not dominated by such radical factions. It's an old and conservative forgeworld, in most respects. Also, consider the difference between studying alien technology and using that technology to build Imperial machines, and just using alien machines. I would have no trouble with the first, but the latter would be considered unholy by most members of the Mechanicus. Some further points 3) Kage will most likely dislike the idea of Sororitas capturing Eldar tech, especially since the Eldar aren't really at war with humans in the Anargo sector. 4) The Tau aren't present in the Anargo sector now (in 470.M41), if ever. If you've got a lot of spare vehicles from different players, perhaps these could be non-STC vehicles, produced locally by the PDF of some worlds in the Anargo sector. In the Gaunt's Ghost novels, there are a lot of vehicles that aren't STC-tech, such as the Chimera and Leman Russ. There's the AT-70, which was a main battle tank inferior to the Leman Russ, IIRC. Your vehicles could be PDF tanks, not used by the rest of the Imperium (IG, SM, etc), given to the Order of the White Star after a mission on some world in Anargo.
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Vatsyayana on Jun 17, 2004 1:23:43 GMT -5
Ok, lately I've been really hesitant to complain about spamming, seeing how the ASP is teeming with life, but... let's not push it The purpose of the Order of the White Star... a surgical strike team for whom? The Imperium already has lots of surgical strike teams, most importantly the Imperial Guard, the IG storm troopers (and Inquisitiorial storm troopers) and the Space Marines. In special missions, the Officio Assassinorum is also used, of course. Adeptas Sororitas and Adeptus Mechanicus... despite the occassional animosity between the AM and the Ecclessiarchy, there's nothing wrong with these two forces working together. I do not really see the point of the Sororitas being stationed on a forgeworld. The Sororitas have a really specific purpose and very few numbers. A couple of hundred of these on a forgeworld would really make little difference, since Proteus is already guarded by millions of Tech Guard and many Titans of Legio Lancea. Adeptas Sororitas and Xenos technology... sorry, but I don't like this at all. Most factions within the Adeptus Mechanicus do have a great interest in xenos technology, for various reasons, but I don't like the idea of Sororitas driving around in Falcons and Wave Serpents. 1) The resources needed to understand and repair salvaged alien vehicles can probably be used to build ten times as many Imperial vehicles. 2) The Adeptus Mechanicus doesn't just sanction and approve anything. Sure, there are radical factions within the Adeptus Mechanicus, like the Inquisition, but Proteus is not dominated by such radical factions. It's an old and conservative forgeworld, in most respects. Also, consider the difference between studying alien technology and using that technology to build Imperial machines, and just using alien machines. I would have no trouble with the first, but the latter would be considered unholy by most members of the Mechanicus. Some further points 3) Kage will most likely dislike the idea of Sororitas capturing Eldar tech, especially since the Eldar aren't really at war with humans in the Anargo sector. 4) The Tau aren't present in the Anargo sector now (in 470.M41), if ever. If you've got a lot of spare vehicles from different players, perhaps these could be non-STC vehicles, produced locally by the PDF of some worlds in the Anargo sector. In the Gaunt's Ghost novels, there are a lot of vehicles that aren't STC-tech, such as the Chimera and Leman Russ. There's the AT-70, which was a main battle tank inferior to the Leman Russ, IIRC. Your vehicles could be PDF tanks, not used by the rest of the Imperium (IG, SM, etc), given to the Order of the White Star after a mission on some world in Anargo. I'll admit, my knowledge of 40K is somewhat limited. I've only got the core rules, two chapter approved and three codexes... so my knowledge is a bit limited. Thanks for the input guys (and the kick in the arse ). Thanks for the idea of non STC vehicles. That probably sounds like a better way to go at this point. Damn, now I have to do rewritting. Let's see if when we quote previous posts we can avoid including the entire thing! Just cut out those bits that aren't relevant. If you're not sure how to do 'multiple quotes', then just let me know and I'll put up an explanation in the General Chat board or get CELS to alter the posting protocols in the "Introduction an Announcement" section. Thanks - Kage.
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Post by zholud on Jun 20, 2004 1:22:15 GMT -5
On Adepta and their behaviour toward alien tech. Of course, this differs from person to person, but heavily indoctrinated Sisters should think of xenos tech as of unworthy, because Emperor was the best and cannot allow mankind having inferior weapons and vehicles. Moreover, xenos are filthy scum, and using its weapons is like endangering own soul by using cross to beat up nails in a wall – i.e. morally unacceptable action.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 20, 2004 2:01:34 GMT -5
As a broad guideline, yep I'm going to have to agree with that. That is the generally accepted view point on xenos technology. Of course, individual exposure is as zholud says going to alter this approach. One might call it a more pragmatic approach to technology that is, indeed, mirrored with even Imperial technology and high-level exposure.
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Post by malika on Jun 20, 2004 5:26:36 GMT -5
Yes more radical factions might go and capture Xenos technology, radical Inquisitors and Adeptus Mechanicus members, and also Death Watch. But the Adepta Sororita are very puritan in my opinion, a very strict religious organisation, even the smallest deviation from their dogma would be considered Heresy.
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Post by Minister on Jun 22, 2004 23:07:41 GMT -5
Agreed. And we all know what happens to Heretics. ;D Illegal under the Decree Passive. Besides that, the Red Redemption is centred on Necromunda, although other similar sects do exist in or near the Anargo Sector.
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