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Post by Philip on Aug 5, 2004 0:34:26 GMT -5
I think at the moment to core of what 40K fluff 'really is' has been held back by the game. Toy soldiers is Cert:U, children have been playing these games since time began.
The fluff has grown over time. In writing about war and bigotry over the years 40K has taken a more 'adult' outlook. 40K is shades of grey, gritty and morality is relative.
I look at it like this,
Game: U/12 Army Background: 12 Fiction: 15 Art: 15/18 (covers are 12) Film: 18
It obviously doesn't match, the more graphic the media the more they have to pull back.
I would love to do huge panoramic posters 3m x 1m of apocalyptic clashes between marines and chaos, with titans in close, drop ships falling from the sky and huge explosions and lots of gore. Tonnes of gore: marines blown in half, limbs missing, brains matter exposed and guts hanging out (you haven't lived until you've seen some guts hanging out) and reinforcements clambering over all of this carnage, waist deep in offal blasting away.
But its not going to happen, even my Tzeentch Daemon had to be censored for pushing the limits.
I'm and artist employed as an illustrator. My 40K is pure horror. I like 40K for what it is and I imagine as 'real' for my art.
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Post by Dazo on Aug 5, 2004 0:34:47 GMT -5
By Kage :'(Thats a pain I know well my friend To be honest i had no idea where they got their ideas from when i first got into it, i just thought it was so cool, it wasn't really until i was older that i began to realise that "hey thats like in 40k cool" I cant say i ever did a cut and paste though as i consider 40k to be totally unique, well to a point obviously, it has become greater than the sum of its parts in my opinion While I do agree tolkien was the master i cannot agree that there is nothing better, I would direct your attention to such writers as Janny Wurts, Robin Hobb and Tad Williams all of which for me rival Tolkien in their scope of a world concept. Really, I think you would enjoy them. Its gothic horror like the Ravenloff books my god they suck the joy right out of you and leave you a bitter cynical husk of a man. I personally love a happy ending which does make me question my interest in 40k Wow I totally agree, thats what I was sorta thinking. And Mel Gibson eh i'd go see that oh yeah ooh mad max that was a 40k influence aswell WHAT censored the bastards, right lads lets break out the burning brands and pichforks How dare they I'm furious that they would do that Well we wont censor you so feel free to post your radical stuff here...those arrogant...money grabbing Any chance of letting us have a look
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Post by Philip on Aug 5, 2004 0:47:01 GMT -5
WHAT censored the bastards, right lads lets break out the burning brands and pichforks How dare they I'm furious that they would do that Well we wont censor you so feel free to post your radical stuff here...those arrogant...money grabbing Any chance of letting us have a look Woah, slow down, it's not as bad as you think. The work I referred to is my Tzeentch Daemon, I had to do a revision. The original had the Dreadnought pilot's head held aloft. Obviously you can have decapitated heads on front covers [Cert:12], so it was modified. The modified version is used on Inferno and the 2005 calendar. But I Think the poster may be the original. Other than that, they ask me to 'un-impale' and reattach limbs (in the early stages) It has to be like this, as I paint covers they will be on display to all sitting on the shop shelf, so have to go with a low rating as you never know who is going to pick it up. As for 'money grabbing' the BL are very reasonable, and paid extra to have the modifications. I really don't see it as 'holding me back' as all my radical stuff will come about in time. Just think of it as me bottling it up for later
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Post by Dazo on Aug 5, 2004 0:58:50 GMT -5
Sorry, i'm just passionate like all us brits, censorship is a dirty word to me I suppose i shouldn't be that outraged i mean they don't have completly naked ladies on the cover of saucy magazines they save the good stuff for the inside...apparently ;D But in a war torn universe gore is what you would expect. I'm looking at the first ED of lost and the damned and to be honest entrails spread all over the place and weeping sore's and pustules are a bit nastier than a bloke with his head chopped off
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Post by Philip on Aug 5, 2004 1:27:24 GMT -5
Decapitated heads is a no no with little children, especially with my 'realistic' style. Its a graphic display of death, and some parents don't like their children exposed to it. I don't to take away their right to choose and agree with this particular instance of censorship.
I agree with you on censorship in general, I think adults can make up their own mind what they want to see (if its legal), and with the net any and all information is available and people haven't lost their minds (state censorship is circumvented all the time).
If I did a specialist type of mega-poster cert 18, then it is likely children aren't going to get their hands on it (If brought via online store, with a big 18 slapped on it and only accept credit cards then it is reasonable to assume the parents know what they are getting).
Covers is a funny world, but I like working in colour and covers is were its at, also you get more Kudos.
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Post by Dazo on Aug 5, 2004 1:43:09 GMT -5
I would like to see a more adult theme to some of GW stuff as i think it would really make it more commertial? maybe, i'm not sure if thats the right word for it, maybe not in art but in the writing as i think kage pointed out a really good auther could do wonders with 40k as theres just so much imagery to call on. But giving it a rating would help i think as you say adults can decide for themselves but children should be protected from the true face of 40k which is grim and war torn not fun and light.
I must admit my interest in art was sparked by GW imagry and it still has a large influence on me
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Post by Philip on Aug 5, 2004 2:13:41 GMT -5
I must admit my interest in art was sparked by GW imagry and it still has a large influence on me It had an affect on me too John Blance's concepts and a piece by Jim Burns is what got me in 40K, and then Jes Goodwin's sculptures. I would like to be a 40K artist rather then an illustrator, I had a chat with John Blanche a while back and the discussion had a deep effect on me.
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Post by Dazo on Aug 5, 2004 2:22:49 GMT -5
It was Adrian Smith for me, the confrontation of Horus and the Emporer on the battle barge left me awed. Wow that is so cool. Theres nothing like a bit of good old fashioned name dropping to garner the respect of your friends
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Post by Philip on Aug 5, 2004 2:41:00 GMT -5
Wow that is so cool. Theres nothing like a bit of good old fashioned name dropping to garner the respect of your friends I wouldn't go that far, as I developed my skills I would make a pilgrimage to see him at Games Day and get his opinion on my portfolio.
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Post by Dazo on Aug 6, 2004 6:00:58 GMT -5
I've just remembered I have a book called the poison master which really did strike me a 40kish. A low tech swamp world ruled over by advanced alien overlords having no idea there were other worlds with humans on. But more advanced off worlders regularly showed up on the primitive world having been brought their by starships of their own making. And the advanced world was a kind of hive world in a desert enviroment, well it was a good read anyway.
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