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Post by Dazo on Jul 28, 2004 2:54:19 GMT -5
Hello  You don't have to uderstand every thing, and world building is not as hard as it seems  There's plenty of people here that would be happy to give you a helping hand. But fluffs good as well Surely if they were cold blooded they would be able to do that sort of thing naturally No reason why not, but thats not something the mechanicus would want to emulate as that sort of thing is frowned upon in the imperium. Tis not normal Perhaps they developed highly advanced cybernetic technology, not like necrons i hasten to add. The mechanicus would lap that sort of thing right up. |
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Post by 97alehol on Jul 30, 2004 9:27:30 GMT -5
O.K. then, how about this idea: The Spirians had come up with some kind of advanced technology allowing them to create their A.I. robots out of a combination of living material and mechanical parts. The Imperium could then come across some sort of factory or workshop and think that these could be advanced replacement limbs left over from the Dark Age of Technology and distribute them around. Some time in the future it could then be revealed where they came from. What do you think?  |
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Post by Dazo on Jul 30, 2004 9:34:32 GMT -5
Are you suggesting the spirians used or found some kind of cybernetic STC because if you are i like it. That would make the mechanicus very happy, very happy indeed.
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Post by CELS on Jul 30, 2004 11:43:56 GMT -5
Alright, I guess it's time to update my view on the Spirians, since I've been good and made a few posts in the Imperium thread First off, welcome to the ASP, 97alehol. Do you have a nickname or something, because '97alehol' is a bit awkward to write, so I'll probably end up calling you 97 or something By the way, there's a member introduction thread in the 'General discussion' forum, which you might want to take a look at! Now... TechnologyA.I. from combined biological and mechanical parts sounds a lot like servitors. If you mean "true" A.I., then I'm afraid that's far beyond the capabilities of the Spirians as I saw them. I originally saw the Spirians as having a tech level slightly lower to that of the Imperium But I do think it's a very interesting idea to have the creations of an extinct race still around and awake. Maybe some brains in jars, or even Spirian servitors? Or even robots with "semi" A.I.? (Before you ask what that means, I don't know. I'm not even sure what true A.I. is ) Some kind of hibernation reezing technology? Sure! Might even be extra easy since they're reptiles... or perhaps they'd discovered a method that could be used even on humans? And that story concept sounds interesting, 97 PhysiologyAll reptiles do not have slow reflexes, as far as I know. And I'm pretty sure the velociraptors didn't have slow reflexes Furthermore, using xenos drugs might be a bit dangerous, especially when the aliens are so different from humans. I mean, asians get stomach trouble just by eating dairy products. You can imagine the consequences of using drugs for reptile aliens! Of course, that doesn't mean that some silly buggers wouldn't still try it Psykers and ChaosI actually thought of the idea that the 'psyker-gene' was only found in female Spirians, which contributed to the Spirians forming a matriarch society. How does that sound? On Chaos, I'm going to take the easy route and say that Spirians had a small warp presence (somewhere between that of humans and that of tau) and that they got off easy when it comes to chaos. Perhaps the occassional chaos mutant, but nothing like the planet-spanning cults that humans have. The Imperium would have no records of chaos-corrupted Spirians, but Xenos specialists might have read something about warped mutants in Spirian history files, and link this to chaos. |
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Post by Dazo on Jul 30, 2004 12:00:30 GMT -5
I like that, yep thats a good reason for a matriarchal society (though i'm glad i'm not a spirian, a woman that can read your mind nightmare).
would the physiology be different ie big powerful males and delicate females, perhaps it was the males who had the knack for building stuff who understood technology. perhaps two cultures male and female only coming together in the breeding season or somthing..don't know where i'm going with this so i'll stop now..
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 30, 2004 12:47:04 GMT -5
Alright, I guess it's time to update my view on the Spirians, since I've been good and made a few posts in the Imperium thread And even an interesting one on education, mirroring some of my own thoughts about 'training' in the adeptus terra in general before I "re-learned" about the schola progenium! Anyway, thought that it was about time that I posted something here... A.I. from combined biological and mechanical parts sounds a lot like servitors. One simple solution is explicit reference to 'organic circuits', or biological material that is included into the inorganic matrix of processors to add 'fuzzy capabilities'. It's a Traveller thing from the time of the end of MegaTraveller and the beginning of Traveller New Era! (Scientists created complete 'machine intelligences' which were subsequently used as a Black War weapon which got out of control. They were, IIRC, called "SDG" chips which, when accessing historical records, one of the 'chips' referred to as being an interesting acronym for "Soli Deo Gloria" (hazy memory)... When the scientist in question, fascinated that a machine intelligence would make a reference to god, asks the next chip was 'deo' means to it, it simply answers: "Daylight come and me wanna go home." I love that!) Or even robots with "semi" A.I.? (Before you ask what that means, I don't know. I'm not even sure what true A.I. is ) See the above. I would, however, suggest that if you're referring to 'artificially' created and programmed intelligence, which can include expert systems, you refer to them as either AI (Artificial Intelligence) or PI (Pseudo-Intelligence) systems. If you're talking about the alien and spontaneous intelligence of machines, then call it MI (Machine Intelligence). Furthermore, using xenos drugs might be a bit dangerous, especially when the aliens are so different from humans. Or, alternatively, using a drug which is completely toxic to an alien would have no effect on a human, because of the different biochemistries... I mean, asians get stomach trouble just by eating dairy products. Lactose intoloerance is an entirely differently kettle of fish! I actually thought of the idea that the 'psyker-gene' was only found in female Spirians, which contributed to the Spirians forming a matriarch society. How does that sound? Fascinating, at leat for me. On Chaos, I'm going to take the easy route and say that Spirians had a small warp presence... Then one must surely take into account the common argument that they should therefore have diminished psychic abilities...? |
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Post by Dazo on Aug 9, 2004 0:19:30 GMT -5
Do they have to be reptiles, why must all aliens in 40k be pigeon holed under a human classification system. Do you mean reptilian like on "V" or the Selay of startrek
or the lizard men in warhammer or the drazi in babylon 5, you get the idea, they've been done to death.
I have an alien concept sketch i've done if you want i'll post it in the artwork bit or if your dead set on reptiles let me know and i wont bother
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Post by CELS on Aug 9, 2004 0:24:47 GMT -5
Do they have to be reptiles, why must all aliens in 40k be pigeon holed under a human classification system. Because the Warhammer 40,000 universe is quite often from the Imperium's point of view? And because we are humans? And because it makes more sense to call them reptiles by the human classification system, than Mon'keigh by the Eldar system? Saying that reptile aliens have been done to death is like saying that laser weapons has been done to death. And I have no idea what "V", or the Selay, or the Drazi are. If you think reptiles, mammals, amphibians or aquatic creatures have all been done to death, then feel free to create your own race, Dazo. Chances are, however, that someone will have thought of that too. Silicoids from Master of Orion, fluid aliens from Abyss... there are a lot of weird ideas out there. I'm 99% set on reptiles. Perhaps it can be used elsewhere though, such as for a race of your own, or one of the many other races appearing in this forum... |
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Post by malika on Aug 9, 2004 1:09:31 GMT -5
V: it's this Sci Fi miniseries from the 80ties, it was basicly about aliens landing on earth who looked exactly human, but were reptilian creatures who wanted to eat us or something like that. They looked like:  Selay: bunch of reptilian creatures from Star Trek They look like:  Drazi:  |
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Post by malika on Sept 20, 2004 14:34:53 GMT -5
I was watching Alien the other day and what kinda made me think was that sort of remainder of that alien space craft and that creature inside it, the so called "space jockey" So the Spirians fought the Imperium and got whiped out...so ruins and remains of them could be found on some planets. We know that during the great crusade different weapons were also used by the Imperium, what about some sort of chemical or biological weapons which preserved the planet, but just killed all life forms on it? So that these strange carcasses and ruins remain. Maybe large anti ship defense weapons for example...Im going to post some links of pictures which might inspire you, but these also made me think of the Spirians...works by HR Giger, I know the Tyranids were inspired by his work of the Alien creature...but he also did other stuff. www.fred-katrin.de/giger/dune/hr_giger_dune_II.jpgwww.serenadawn.com/Alien-Jockey-Building.JPGwww.serenadawn.com/Alien-Jockey-EggSilo.JPGwww.littlegiger.com/limited/images/380.jpg |
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Post by CELS on Sept 20, 2004 16:17:55 GMT -5
That's a great idea, Malika! Awesome! Weapons so horrible that they have not been used for tens of thousands of years... and on some worlds, you can find the statue-like corpses of the Spirians. Fossilized by the arcane chemical/biological weapons, their painful expressions still vivid after all these years.
Now I want to write a story ;D
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Post by malika on Sept 20, 2004 16:23:32 GMT -5
Sometimes I have good ideas  It was just something that really popped up in my mind and it would totally fit this extinct race. Im curious about that physiology now...I mean size, shapes...maybe something for the artwork department soon ;D |
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Post by malika on Sept 21, 2004 8:35:39 GMT -5
Im getting the idea of giant reptilian humanoids, the giant size similar to the Zentraedi from Robotech, 40 foot tall giants!
Giant constructs and corpses on a dead planet, the Adeptus Mechanicus dropping by to search for strange and exotic technologies and then the defence system the Spirians once had for their world activates...
The Spirians are all dead, perhaps the defense system on their former worlds is still "alive" but it is not able to go out and attack or raid other worlds, it is not part of a greater plan, it is just a last reflect of a dead race.
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Post by CELS on Sept 21, 2004 9:18:18 GMT -5
I find it amusing that someone would be so interested in the physiology of a long dead race! I see the Spirians as maybe having very short tails, perhaps the length of their forearm. I agree that it would be cool (and original, in 40k terms) with giant aliens, but I don't want them to be anything near 40 feet. This is a matter of taste, but I'm also worried that it might be unlikely for creatures of that size to reach advanced technology. If their world is anything like Terra, that size would put them on the top of the food chain, and there would be no need for them to use tools. So... maybe twice the height and weight of humans. Very fast, since they were originally carnivores, and extremely agile, thanks to their tail. Four digits on hands and two digit on feet, unless someone objects. |
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Post by malika on Sept 21, 2004 9:24:02 GMT -5
I want to know what they looked like, I can kinda get an idea of how they are then...an image could say more than a thousand words |
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It was just something that really popped up in my mind and it would totally fit this extinct race. Im curious about that physiology now...I mean size, shapes...maybe something for the artwork department soon ;D