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Post by CELS on Nov 17, 2004 7:37:08 GMT -5
Just an idea I was originally going to use for one of my Knight worlds. What if some worlds in the Anargo sector that were isolated for very long, held onto christianity untill they were conquered by the Imperium? The Father, Son and the Holy spirit can easily be converted to the Father, the Saint or the Holy Spirit. Or, if you want to do it right- the Emperor, the Saint and the Star Child.
Is this possible, or would christianity disappear long before the Imperial creed was invented?
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Post by Dazo on Nov 17, 2004 8:10:35 GMT -5
I think its a possibility CELS a very palusible one, one I had intended to use to some degree myself. I've never been comfortable with the idea that it just disappeared somewhere in the GAoT and that was it, no trace of it remaining anywhere. it might be that worlds were colonised by pilgrims of the great monotheastic religions of earth, for the very reason of having whole worlds dedicated to one god.
I also think that they would be very hostile to accepting the emperor as a god and would possibly fight till the virus bombs started dropping
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Post by Fleetmaster on Nov 18, 2004 15:37:02 GMT -5
Hmmm.. interesting.
What "branch" of Christianity would you see 40K Christianity as descending from?
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Post by Lordof on Nov 18, 2004 18:43:41 GMT -5
I think that the star child may take place in some versions but in others it would be the astrominicom (sp?) which would be seen as the divine manifestation of his will.
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Post by Fleetmaster on Nov 19, 2004 6:28:12 GMT -5
The interesting thing about this is that we begin to see how Christianity and the imperial cult are not dissimiliar (As a Christian myself, I hope this doesn't offend anybody). I'm referring to the fact that both are monotheistic and both have a 'saviour of mankind' who died to, well, save humanity. Therefore if such a world was discovered by a more 'liberal' imperial authority (if the Imperium could ever be said to be liberal  ) then the preachers may use this similiarity to indoctrinate the people to the imperial cult, possibly saying that Jesus was an early incarnation of the emperor. The "pagan" tribes of northern Europe were not converted by a "Burn the heretic druids" approach, but rather by the inclusion of their culture into the new belief system. ( which is why Christmas is in the middle of winter, when the old midwinter festivals occured. The Romans would never have ordered a census in the middle of winter, as the logistics would have been hellish). This relies on both the Christian world and the Imperial authority not being fanatically religious (The AM (pre great crusade) would probably "Live and let live" as long as they didn't directly clash on any issues, while the Soriatas.... VIRUS BOMB TIME! Similiarly, during the great crusade more leniency towards other religions would probably be seen than now, when the Imperium has had 10,000 years to stew in its own fanaticism and paranoia. Of course if the world expected a 'second coming' then the imperium could be seen as a saviour. This also opens up the possibility of other modern day religions existing in 40k (although the greater the difference from the Imperial creed, the less likely they would be to survive once Imperial forces arrived). |
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Post by Minister on Dec 2, 2004 18:21:09 GMT -5
I don't see any form of Christianity surviving in its current form to the 41st millennium. Look at what we've managed to do in only two thousand years (give or take): split from Judaism, addoption and reworking by the Romand, the Dark and Midevil ages, the Reformation, the splits each way... And that's without offworld influence. Which bit of the church it grew from becomes irrelevent in short order.
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Post by CELS on Dec 5, 2004 6:18:36 GMT -5
Actually, after reading about ancient Korean mythology, I realise that this trinity thing might be quite common around the world. The Koreans believed in Wha'In (The Creator), Wha'ung (The Creator's Son) and Dan'Gun (The human child of Wha'ung), who formed a trinity similar to the christian trinity. Dan'Gun, the founder and savior of Korea, was born from a bear turned woman -impregnated by the breath of Wha'Ung-, so one can see parallels to Jesus.
I guess I'll just drop the idea of christianity in 40k. As minister points out, religion does change a lot in time- especially as nations and empires rise and fall, and their culture with them. Seeing how the nations and cultures of earth changed quite a bit from today to the Age of Technology, it is not likely that christianity would survive.
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Post by Dazo on Dec 5, 2004 6:22:59 GMT -5
At least not in a form we would readily recognise today.
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) then the preachers may use this similiarity to indoctrinate the people to the imperial cult, possibly saying that Jesus was an early incarnation of the emperor. 