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Post by Shoulder on Mar 13, 2004 20:13:18 GMT -5
* Foot Note: this opens up to a new discussion: Is non-politically correct art frowned upon, or is it alright as long as it doesn't conflict imperial dogma? Needless to say, slaaneshi cults prosper on Partena, and many artists consider it a challenge to paint as occult as they can without their art being classified as heretical. How would you envision Imperial art? IMO, Imperial nonpropaganda art would be: - art noveau/renaisanse (sp?)-ish
- 2D (except sculptures, wich of course are 3D...)
- Symbolic
- Politically Correct
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 14, 2004 5:46:20 GMT -5
The nvoels show that various art forms and styles are found within the Imperium and that they are not necessarily controlled by a 'central (totalitarian) authority'. Subversive art is defined loosely by the Imperium and specifically by the individual Imperial Commander. Kage |
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Post by malika on Mar 15, 2004 5:52:44 GMT -5
It would vary greatly on each world I think...
The =][= or Arbites would have a small group who would guard all art in the Imperium, making sure it's untainted and not heretical.
But each world would have many kinds of different styles of art I believe, also depending on which time it takes place.
Would be cool to see music artists too in the Imperium, travelling from planet to planet, performing their music.
Im already getting rock star interplanetarian tour in my head ;D
Just a question, would the =][= who would control art in the Imperium be part of the Ordo Hereticus, or a whole different Ordo? Maybe we could work on this...a new Ordo
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Post by Minister on Mar 15, 2004 12:20:38 GMT -5
As far as I see it, there would be no centralised Department for the Atainment of Artistic Purity or simmilar, instead an Imperial world would regulate artistic extremes as it saw fit, removing anything which it deemed liable to destablise its rule, whilst the Arbitrators and Ecclesiarchy would both look to supress anything seriously heretical or anti-Imperial.
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Post by malika on Mar 15, 2004 12:25:12 GMT -5
Ok so it would be different for each world? What about each world having a small commition in the Arbites who work together with the Ecclesiarchy, something like what you said, but then under one name...the idea of how Nazi Germany had control over their artists appeals to me for the Imperium, but you people might not agree with me on that one...
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Post by CELS on Mar 15, 2004 13:19:16 GMT -5
LoL! The image of Adeptus Arbites crashing through the glass ceiling of some art exhibition in typical S.W.A.T. style, guns blazing, comes to mind. " Die, heretic! The Emperor cares not for post-modernistic art!"  I don't think the Adeptus Arbites is responsible for "guarding all art in the Imperium", from what I've read in Codex Imperialis. I agree with Minister that there is no Department of Artistic Purity either ;D Obviously, the Arbites would react if they happened to come across a painting of a girl with the eight-pointed star on her forehead, but that's it. They don't be spying on painters or visiting art exhibitions. As for the image of the Imperium controlling artists in the same way of Nazi Germany- the Imperium obviously have artists working on propaganda, for things such as the lovely 'Citizens Beware' posters, coloured glass artwork for Imperial buildings, etc. That doesn't mean that all art is controlled by the Imperium, IMO. |
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Post by malika on Mar 15, 2004 13:56:28 GMT -5
Well...it could make normal art way more underground and rare...while "normal" art would all be Imperial propaganda.
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Post by Minister on Mar 15, 2004 14:14:22 GMT -5
The arbitrators would step in if an exhibition, artist or whatever was deemed to be inciting treason against the Imperium, cavorting with the Dark Gods or otherwise very definitely bad in a way which breaches Imperial dictates.
The Ecclesiarchy, on the other hand, would be far more likely to go after things which are less illegal and more immoral in its eyes. "Inappropriate" representations of Imperial history, "Renditions likely to cause the degradation of the moral purity of the Emperor's subjects" and so-on. Probably wouldn't do anything too direct, but would kick up enough fuss that the person finds himself a veritable pariah in polite society (and marks him out as a target for routine checking of everything he is involved in).
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Post by Skabbhatt on Mar 19, 2004 19:16:34 GMT -5
Personally I like the idea of patrons, insted of having free artists/musicians doing whatever they like and hoping it will sell, they have a patron that supports them and their family in exchange for their services.
Slaaaa....
For me art and music are expressions of thought, and in the Imperium wrong thoughts are oppressed. I think that there is no special team to root out "evil" art, the standard channels just do that perfectly ok.
neeee....
Diversity would be enorme! I can see an sliced up mutant between plexiglas as acceptable art.
sssssh....
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Post by malika on Mar 20, 2004 6:47:57 GMT -5
That woul be cool...but then I think an =][= would serously deal with that artist...
What about very famous artist who are widely known in the Imperium? Is there such a concept of celebrities in the Imperium? Or are they just warheroes?
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Post by CELS on Mar 20, 2004 7:23:45 GMT -5
Personally I like the idea of patrons, insted of having free artists/musicians doing whatever they like and hoping it will sell, they have a patron that supports them and their family in exchange for their services. For some worlds, this may be appropriate. Obviously, different worlds would have different artistic traditions. Tzzzz...For me art and music are expressions of thought, and in the Imperium wrong thoughts are oppressed. I think that there is no special team to root out "evil" art, the standard channels just do that perfectly ok. Remembering that GW has moved away from the RT-style thought opression, with the brain washing and mind scrubbing and all that. Now, artists with 'wrong thoughts' are either stoned by an angry mob, or taken by mysterious (Imperial) agents with black robes in the middle of the night. Or, put on trial... eeeeee....Diversity would be enorme! I can see an sliced up mutant between plexiglas as acceptable art. Again, this would depend greatly on the world. Some worlds consider it acceptable to have orks fight in arenas for entertainment, others would consider this to contaminate the holy human soil with xeno sickness. I think the same goes for art. And mutants. eentchh...And yes, Malika, IMO, it is perfectly conceivable that there are famous artists, movie-stars, novel writers and sports stars in the Imperium, as well as war heroes. |
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