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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 27, 2003 15:03:10 GMT -5
I was wondering what extent people saw the integration of the adeptus terra and it's various orgnaisations into that of the local government? At present I see the adeptus terra as a broadly parasitic regime which, in the long term, can be incorporated so that it is an integral part of the government... At present the capital world has a fairly integrated approach to the adeptus terra but even then still maintains the "Imperial Conclave", the centre of Imperial authority on the planet. (Akin to an embassy...) I was wondering what other people thought on this subject? Kage |
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Post by CELS on Jan 1, 2004 15:54:20 GMT -5
This might not be very helpful, but I suggest that members such as yourself and zholud, who may have read up on subjects that might be helpful in answering this question, should be left to tackle this. Personally, I have no idea and wouldn't know how to go about answering this question without doing a LOT of research, which I don't have time to do. Make an educated guess and make use of your 'Thus Sayeth The Law' stamp  |
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Post by Sojourner on Jan 2, 2004 3:54:01 GMT -5
I would say it's a dual system; the majority of diplomats, envoys, ministers etc being from the local populace, with a small minority of senior officials and specialists from the Adeptus Terra (those responsible for dealing with alien-related stuff, for example). I can clearly see the possibility for some political intrigue here as jurisdiction is taken away from the local bodies and placed in the hands of a none-too-trusted adeptus terra office.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 2, 2004 5:01:17 GMT -5
CELS... You surprise me. Given the ramifications of this I would imagine that you, as one of the more active members of the project at the moment, would love to get their hands dirty on this (as it were). I would say it's a dual system; the majority of diplomats, envoys, ministers etc being from the local populace, with a small minority of senior officials and specialists from the Adeptus Terra (those responsible for dealing with alien-related stuff, for example). That was in part why I was questioning it. The antagonism between 'local' and 'Imperial' has some fascinating potential. As a project, we really should make some working definitions of the organisation of the adeptus terra so that we are not just making up terms here and there. Kage
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Post by CELS on Jan 2, 2004 6:41:42 GMT -5
CELS... You surprise me. Given the ramifications of this I would imagine that you, as one of the more active members of the project at the moment, would love to get their hands dirty on this (as it were). You sound disappointed!  Well, I would, actually. It's just that I wouldn't know where to begin, and I think you're looking for a more educated guess than that of the average teenager. Unfortunately, that's all I have to offer. If you just want to hear what I think would be 'cool', or what would be in keeping with what I've read of 40k fluff and fiction so far, then I'll gladly share it with you. If you're looking for anything more advanced than that, I'm afraid you'll be better off without my opinions. |
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 2, 2004 6:55:25 GMT -5
I'm interested in both what you think is 'cool' (although I may not agree with you) and what you feel is consistent with the 40k universe. One feature that has cropped up in a minor way in the Meta-Concepts board is that of the powers of the Imperial Commander, most particularly that of the Imperial Commander of Anargo. I feel that they have no power since that is the role of the adeptus terra. What I do feel is that they would have significant influence but that this requires integration into the more ephemeral concept of 'Imperial culture'... Thoughts? Kage |
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Post by Raider on Feb 4, 2004 1:20:01 GMT -5
Two systems at Planetary level, Local and AdTerra
Top of the Locals is the Imperial Commander. Obviously he's the Executive authority. I wont get into how he's picked. Below him comes a number of advisers
Next to him is the AdTerra organization, theoretically subordinate to him. The main body is something like a Tax Office, they ensure the Tithe is paid correctly. In addition there's the Arbites, who back up the Admin people, watch for treachery and crush riots if they get out of hand.
Other than the Tithe and Arbites, I dont see any AdTerra infulence. This is an 'average' planet, more important worlds might have a larger presence
Now for Sector level...
I envision a full scale Government. I'll get into more details later, but for now here's a bit on the top officials
Level 0
Sector Head
Not sure if there's a title for this post in the Background. This guy is the chief of the Adeptus Admin in the Sector and as such, head of more or less everything.
Lord Commander Anargo
Military chief of the Sector, again I'm unsure on the exact title. He's in Command of the entire military within the Sector and is a decimal point lower than the Sector Head.
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 4, 2004 4:58:10 GMT -5
That is the basic idea, for me... The level of integration is dependent upon the local 'historical vector' of the world, a part of which will be integrated into the concept of a defined hierarchy of worlds with the Anargo sector. Anargo Primus Tertius, or just plain 'ole Anargo, has sector capital has the (most likely) greatest level of integration of the adeptus terra into local government. In many ways the adeptus terra will be that local government, though with traditional forms left from past history... But on other worlds the term 'parasite' is not entirely inappropriate to the adeptus terra and Imperial government in general. What this means is that the police force of the world will not necessarily be the adeptus arbites, nor the 'tax office' the adeptus administratum, although both will obviously have a presence on that world. Make sense...? Kage |
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Post by Sojourner on Feb 16, 2004 11:33:11 GMT -5
I imagine the Adeptus Terra rather like those creepy government agents that show up in a whole load of political/military action series...
"Adept Mulder, this matter is out of your jurisdiction now..."
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 16, 2004 18:39:07 GMT -5
Yes! That is in part it... but not the whole kit-and-kaboodle, I would imagine. Influence and the sheer power and momentum of the organisation must be taken into account... Surely? Kage |
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Post by Tynesh on Mar 25, 2004 9:41:13 GMT -5
I guess there is a great deal of to and froing between the local government and then the law making Imperial government. Like the system in the Uk with a central law making body, then with local councils interpreting the law for their area (ie levels of council tax). The higher level sets taxes etc, while the other has autonomy over their own budgets.
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Post by Minister on Mar 25, 2004 11:42:54 GMT -5
On the military: there is no supreme commander of military forces, the Lord Admiral and Lord General are as high as it goes at sector level.
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Post by Raider on Mar 26, 2004 19:23:14 GMT -5
Really, I thought there was the post of Lord Commander Anargo.
I think the Administrum presence on a world would follow a pretty standard pattern i.e.
Chief of Planet
The head of the administrum on the Planet. His job is more to watch and occasionally advise the Planetary Government.
Directorate I
The Adeptus Arbites. These do a handful of duties, but generally stick to themselves. The Head of the Arbites (note to self, work out Arbite titles) is only a fraction lower than the Chief of Planet and in certain situations is superior. Arbiters are generally only called in when the rule of the Imperium is threatened.
Directorate II
The Tithe administrators. This directorate is responsible for assessing the planets Tithe level and ensuring it is collected.
Directorate III
The Archivists. This directorate maintains a great wealth of information on the Planet. It is summarised and sent to the various superior bodies. Much of this information will never be used, but it is still collected, assessed and filed.
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 27, 2004 7:51:05 GMT -5
... which misses out a whole lot of the adeptus terra... Kage |
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Post by Raider on Mar 27, 2004 17:12:47 GMT -5
Well I didn't want to tread on anyones plot. The Inquisition is being seperately discussed, Minister is responsible for the Ministorum.
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Well, I would, actually. It's just that I wouldn't know where to begin, and I think you're looking for a more educated guess than that of the average teenager. Unfortunately, that's all I have to offer.
