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Post by CELS on Feb 12, 2004 21:15:50 GMT -5
As promised, I have begun the creation process of a planet in the Anargo subsector. Here are my initial thoughts on the chosen planet, Algorex III Algorex III
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Concept: Civilised world. Highly controlled world, possibly related to previous state of anarchy. (Quirk: Presence of proto-sentient race...)
Changes to UWP: None at the moment. Export may be altered in the long-term, however.Right.... converting this... Starport C Size 8 - Terra Atmosphere 4 - Thin, tainted Hydrosphere 5 - 50% Population 9 - Billions Law Level A - Extreme - Weapon possession prohibited Government E - Religious Autocracy. Single leader Techlevel 8 - Bases S - Trade Hi Population multiplier 9 Planets - 0 Gas giants - 3 Life value 4 Resource value 8 Export M So... normal Imperial tech, civilised world, terraformed, extreme religion... I'm thinking one of two things. 1) Your typical Imperial world, if a bit extreme in terms of law and religion. The population is devoted to the service of the Emperor, and the world is controlled by the Ministorum, to a large degree. On the surface of things, nothing seems to be going on at the moment. This could be one of the few absolutely normal planets in the Anargo sector  2) Though a high law-level might suggest a high degree of order to many people, this is not necessarily the case. The commander (High Priest/Bishop/whatever) of the world is losing his hold on the planet. The people are fed up. Extremely high laws and severe punishment dealt by Adeptus Arbites, and even the PDF at times, hold the people at bay, but more and more rebellions are threatening the commander's rule. The Administratum (and Inquisition?) is wanting to remove the commander, but the Ministorum is insisting that the commander is given more time, and that he is not to blame. Perhaps the Inquisition agrees that these rebellions might have another cause than the poor leadership of the world's commander, and is investigating the matter. Whichever is chosen, the world is a heavily populated civilised world which will pay tithes both in form of Imperial Guard regiments, and exported goods from industry and possibly farming. A quite valuable world. Oh, and about the atmosphere... How about a high oxygen "taint" in a thin atmosphere? Would this still not be breathable? Could the population adapt to this? If not, it would be sufficient with simple rebreathers (i.e. no oxygen tanks), right? PS: Does the name Algorex hold some important meaning? I'm not entirely happy with it, and was hoping to change it. |
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Post by zholud on Feb 13, 2004 14:52:05 GMT -5
Nice concept, CELS! As to religious fanatics – I guess we should make them a little bit more heretical in tune with medieval Christianity. As an example they think that Emperor became god after the battle with Horus, but since the birth.  |
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Post by CELS on Feb 13, 2004 15:18:46 GMT -5
Cheers  As to religious fanatics – I guess we should make them a little bit more heretical in tune with medieval Christianity. As an example they think that Emperor became god after the battle with Horus, but since the birth. Aye, that's a good thought. Not being in the same subsector as the Cardinal world does allow some deviation... You did mean that the Emperor became god NOT after the battle with Horus, BUT since birth, right? Btw, which of the alternatives would you like to see? Number 1 or number 2? |
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Post by zholud on Feb 13, 2004 15:59:28 GMT -5
Aye, that's a good thought. Not being in the same subsector as the Cardinal world does allow some deviation... You did mean that the Emperor became god NOT after the battle with Horus, BUT since birth, right? Exactly. This is rip-off of one actual heresy, I don’t recall name of it now… maybe something in lines that Emperor should return soon, or that the hymns could be sung in Low Gothic. I guess that Ecclesiarchy teaches that Emperor was always the God and Shepherd of Mankind. |
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 17, 2004 19:47:02 GMT -5
Your typical Imperial world Now there's a contentious term...  and the world is controlled by the Ministorum, to a large degree. Why does the adpetus ministorum have such rigid control of the world? Remembering the thread on the integration of the adeptus terra into local govnerment and it normally being 'parasitic' in nature... So what has created a world where the adeptus ministorum holds 'sway'? However, I would like to say that the concept fits with the social data presented and, as such, I'm not criticising. Just offering a point that will need clarification. The commander (High Priest/Bishop/whatever) of the world is losing his hold on the planet. I like this. I like it a lot... It offers a potential powder-keg in the heart of the administrative capital (well subsector) of the Anargo sector. It's just the kind of thing that could be exploited by political opponents, etc. Again, I like it! Extremely high laws and severe punishment dealt by Adeptus Arbites, and even the PDF at times... I offer this only as a reminder and, again, not a criticism. The adeptus arbites is the Imperial police force and not necessarily the local police force which is maintained by the Imperial Commander. We must not fall into the trap of some of the current 'fluff' which is necessarily creating a situation where every Imperial world has a similar form of government... Of course, that would make things much simpler although probably a bit too Star Wars for some peoples' liking... The Administratum (and Inquisition?) is wanting to remove the commander, but the Ministorum is insisting that the commander is given more time, and that he is not to blame. This is the reason that, perhaps, more detail of the nature of the sigificant adeptus ministorum presence needs providing. The removal of the Imperial Commander would be the province of the adeptus administratum in general (through mandate by the senatorum imperialis), or specific removal by the Inquisition... ... But why would the adeptus ministorum be able to prevent such removal, especially with regards to the Inquisition... Perhaps the Inquisition agrees that these rebellions might have another cause than the poor leadership of the world's commander, and is investigating the matter. Whichever is chosen, the world is a heavily populated civilised world which will pay tithes both in form of Imperial Guard regiments, and exported goods from industry and possibly farming. A quite valuable world. Fair enough. A related question - and again not a criticism - but how often are Imperial Guard regiments Founded from worlds with sufficient population? How many Foundings have there been from, say, Necromunda? Oh, and about the atmosphere... How about a high oxygen "taint" in a thin atmosphere? Would this still not be breathable? Could the population adapt to this? Depends on just how much more oxygen there is. I'm going to have to reserve specific comment until I have more information on the level of the taint and, indeed, when I have the time to check through some RPGs which offer consistent and 'plausible' reactions to such environmental considerations. PS: Does the name Algorex hold some important meaning? I'm not entirely happy with it, and was hoping to change it. Change away. Technology... Oh yes, BTW. The technology of the world is similar to that which we enjoy ourselves in the 'real world'... Kage |
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Post by CELS on Feb 18, 2004 7:30:18 GMT -5
Why does the adpetus ministorum have such rigid control of the world? Remembering the thread on the integration of the adeptus terra into local govnerment and it normally being 'parasitic' in nature... So what has created a world where the adeptus ministorum holds 'sway'? It is conceivable that the Ministorum colonised the world post Heresy, and are thus responsible for governing it though, though they still have to pay their tithes like everyone else. If anyone can think of a way the Ministorum could have actually seized power from a local government, such as a hereditary system like a monarchy, I'm all ears. I don't have any ideas on how the people nor the Adeptus Terra would react to this though, so... However, I would like to say that the concept fits with the social data presented and, as such, I'm not criticising. Just offering a point that will need clarification. Well, that is your job Or Raiders job, I suppose... I like this. I like it a lot... It offers a potential powder-keg in the heart of the administrative capital (well subsector) of the Anargo sector. It's just the kind of thing that could be exploited by political opponents, etc. Again, I like it! Glad to hear it. You mean political opponents of Anargo as the administrative capital though? As in Meksumians? How do you see them exploiting this? I offer this only as a reminder and, again, not a criticism. The adeptus arbites is the Imperial police force and not necessarily the local police force which is maintained by the Imperial Commander. We must not fall into the trap of some of the current 'fluff' which is necessarily creating a situation where every Imperial world has a similar form of government... Remembering of course that the Adeptus Arbites play an important role across the Imperium, which has earned them a wing or talon in the Imperial Eagle symbolism. They're supposed to be just about everywhere, so if you're one of the people who would prefer to see them mostly on Necromunda and a handful of other worlds, I'm going to have to politely disagree. I agree that they wouldn't be responsible for policing the entire world though, but they would definitely contribute. Speaking of Arbites, does anyone know if the Enforcers that have appeared in the Necromunda and Inquisitor games are modern versions of Arbites, or just a catch-all phrase for local police? Of course, that would make things much simpler although probably a bit too Star Wars for some peoples' liking... I suppose, yeah This is the reason that, perhaps, more detail of the nature of the sigificant adeptus ministorum presence needs providing. The removal of the Imperial Commander would be the province of the adeptus administratum in general (through mandate by the senatorum imperialis), or specific removal by the Inquisition... They wouldn't need to remove the Imperial Commander. They would just appoint their leader Imperial Commander, be it a high priest, a bishop or whatever. So the world would be like any other Imperial world, except that the government is under Ministorum control instead of being under the control of the people through democracy, or an aristocracy, or a military organisation, etc. ... But why would the adeptus ministorum be able to prevent such removal, especially with regards to the Inquisition... If there was any evidence that the Ministorum on Algorex III had neglected their duty to the Imperium, they would be removed. As long as they pay their tithes and beget no heresy or treachery though, the power is theirs. Opponents of the Ministorum rule on the planet could argue that the world is about to fall into civil war, but right now the Adeptus Terra and Inquisition is merely shrugging in indifference. When the rebellions go so far that the Commander has trouble paying tithes though, the Ministorum rule will be overthrown, and the Imperium will force a new government. A related question - and again not a criticism - but how often are Imperial Guard regiments Founded from worlds with sufficient population? How many Foundings have there been from, say, Necromunda? We don't know. Codex IG (the latest version) depicts the Mordian 211th Regiment, the 898th Cromaryn and the 391st Catachan. It should be noted that Catachan probably pays its entire tithe in the form of Imperial Guard regiments. Mordia is a hiveworld, but that's pretty much all I know about it. Nothing is known about Cromaryn. Depends on just how much more oxygen there is. I'm going to have to reserve specific comment until I have more information on the level of the taint and, indeed, when I have the time to check through some RPGs which offer consistent and 'plausible' reactions to such environmental considerations. Let me know. I would very much like it if humans could adapt to breathing this atmosphere, or if only some kind of small "rebreathers" were needed, and not some huge oxygen tanks or sealed transports. Technology... Oh yes, BTW. The technology of the world is similar to that which we enjoy ourselves in the 'real world'... Yeah, from year 2001-2050, right? |
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Post by Raider on Feb 20, 2004 22:03:07 GMT -5
I personally against the world being controlled by the Ministorum but my Administrum-Centred idea been overruled.
The powder keg idea is very nice. A possible idea is that some officials on the Planet have realized whats going on, and are trying to persuade the Bureaucracy on Anargo that things are about to become very bad. Scope for some massive Political Intrigue.
I'd prefer a higher tech-level, but you cant have everything you want...
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Post by CELS on Feb 21, 2004 8:16:13 GMT -5
I personally against the world being controlled by the Ministorum but my Administrum-Centred idea been overruled. Why are you against this? Do you consider it impossible, or do you just not want that kind of world in the Anargo subsector? The powder keg idea is very nice. A possible idea is that some officials on the Planet have realized whats going on, and are trying to persuade the Bureaucracy on Anargo that things are about to become very bad. Scope for some massive Political Intrigue. Indeed ;D I'd prefer a higher tech-level, but you cant have everything you want... Well, I was trying to stick with the stats. This is still a fairly high tech level though, by 40k standards. And it doesn't mean the entire world is limited to TL8, there could be higher tech in some places (AM-controlled reactors or factories), and lower in some places. |
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Post by zholud on Feb 21, 2004 17:03:34 GMT -5
If anyone can think of a way the Ministorum could have actually seized power from a local government, such as a hereditary system like a monarchy, I'm all ears. I can propose to take analogue from real crusades, where some settled on newly created territories. Make War of Faith which resulted in the conquest of the planet and settlement of those fanatics on the world. With passing time they remained in rigid old faith, while more diplomatic Ecclesiarchy changed for those millennia. Thus potentially more interesting power-keg: Ministorum sees them as heretics while administratum supports them. |
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Post by CELS on Feb 21, 2004 17:18:28 GMT -5
Hmmm, interesting. And these heretics would be the ones with the non-regular view on the Emperor? I'm not sure it would be appropriate for the Ministorum to strike down at anyone claiming that the Emperor was a god before he was put on the Throne. This seems right for a conflict between the factions within the Ministorum, not something that would provoke war.
Maybe the locals do not see the Emperor as a god at all, or maybe they also worship a Primarch as a god, or a Saint?
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 7, 2004 16:16:52 GMT -5
TTL8 is in by no means 'high' for 40k terms, or at least not necessarily so. TTL8=GTL8, which is roughly where we are at present. Access to technology, etc., are important features which can be used to explain why they do not specifically enjoy the manifestations of these technologies... With regards to the nature of the adeptus ministorum government, then zholud's suggestion does have some merit although one must question the overall image of the world with that in mind. As a world which subscribes to the tenets of the adeptus ministorum the chances of it having such a developed technological infrastructure is something that strikes me as... problematic. Perhaps more consideration need to be given to this side of things. (And IIRC the idea of an adeptus administratum controlled world was not questioned, there was merely a wish for clarification...?) Kage |
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Post by CELS on Mar 8, 2004 12:29:04 GMT -5
After thinking about it, I wish to increase the tech level of this planet. It's just that I feel that not enough worlds in the Anargo sector have a high tech level, and I don't think it's very appropriate that half of the worlds in the Imperium are feudal and feral worlds (even if this wasn't). Besides, I need higher tech for the new image I have of Aquina Please? I have one more thing to ask- Could you please help me think of solutions for the Ministorum problem? I personally do not see limitations on technological infrastructe caused by the Ministorum's position, and I'm having difficulties coming up with a good reason for why the Ministorum were given this position in the first place. That is, unless you're content with the reason I've posted already. |
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 8, 2004 18:54:22 GMT -5
All I can say is to remind people that the whole TL system is a guideline. Something to inspire rather than constrain. One must. however, remember that typical GW logic has the majority of worlds regressing to a level of barbarism because of the events around the Age of Strife. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, all things considered, but one has to remember that it is what they say... Kage |
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