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Post by Destecado on Dec 20, 2004 13:11:26 GMT -5
Outside of the subsectors of the Imperium lies "Wildspace", the frontier beyond the 'effective patrol range' of the Imperial Fleet. It contains both alien worlds, Imperial worlds that have been forgotten, and even human worlds that were never contacted during the Great Crusade. The Sargasso Gulf by its very nature has prevent exploration and subjugation by the Imperium During the great crusade. There are therefore systems within it that would not appear in the standard Subsector UWP listing. These worlds would not have any impact on the Subsector right away, but as the timeline of the ASP progresses, the Gulf will begin to shrink (this has to do with the proto dimensions at the heart of the Sector). As such, these systems will begin to be accessable to warp travel. This will not only open new worlds for exploration, but for new story hooks and possible conflict down the road. for these reasons, I think it becomes important to investigate these systems and generate UWP listings for them....not to be included in the Sargassos Subsector UWPs, but to remain wildspace for the time being.
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 20, 2004 19:28:41 GMT -5
That seems reasonable. But how would you care to go about this? The UWP listed are the diameter of a 'standard' subsector of the Imperium and, presumably, part of the Gulf will expand into that domain. There is, however, going to be an expanded section of the gulf that will include both human non-Imperium contact and alien worlds...? How would you like to detail that?
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Post by Dazo on Dec 21, 2004 4:59:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand kage, are you saying it was the intent all along to increase the eminent domain of sargassos, and that it would be better to incorporate the extra worlds destecado wants with the ones that were going to be added anyway.
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 8, 2005 18:04:09 GMT -5
I was just saying that the UWP that are listed are based upon search parameters of the ASP database that take into account an 'average subsector', i.e. light years in diameter. Indeed the Anargo subsectors tend to be that much larger!
Since the Sargassos phenomenon doesn't cover the entire subsector there is the implication that it extends beyond the subsector. In this case there are going to be additional worlds covered by the Sargassos Gulf that are not listed here... I was merely asking how Destecado wished to tackle this problem.
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Post by Destecado on Mar 22, 2005 18:16:19 GMT -5
The Sargasso Gulf falls within the following coordinates:
X 26 - 30 Y 38 - 41 Z 36 - 46
Thanks to Kage we now have UWP listings for those worlds which are within the borders of the Gulf, but which fall outside of the imperial subsectors and lay within Wildspace. Thanks to Dazo, as well, for formating the UWP listings.
26,39,36- M-V - E798627-5 Ag 103 251 26,39,44- M-V - AAE497A-B Hi 105 2D5 26,41,36- Lost Planet (gas giant) 26,41,43- M-V - E6B3144-7 Fl Lo 213 090 27,38,43- M-V - X5A0000-0 Ba De Lo 002 060 27,39,46- K-V - A596797-B N Ag 601 155 28,38,37- M-V - X448000-0 Ba Lo 002 040 29,38,39- D 29,39,42- M-V - A655551-B Ag 801 430 29,39,44- A-V 29,39,45- M-VI - A974897-B 100 8BU 29,40,37- M-V - EAE5100-7 Lo 210 460 29,40,40- M-V - X330000-0 Ba De Lo 003 220 29,40,43- M-V - B423300-D N Lo 700 170 29,40,46- M-V - A353455-C 703 350 29,41,40- M-V - X6A6000-0 Ba Fl Lo 002 030 29,41,46- M-V - C400324-8 Lo Va 102 080 30,38,38- Lost Planet (terrestrial) 30,39,37- M-V - X401000-0 Ba Ic Lo Va 002 020 30,39,38- K-V - X000000-0 As Ba Lo 003 000 30,39,41- F-V - X100000-0 Ba Lo Va 014 050 30,39,46- M-V - X422000-0 Ba Lo 013 150
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Post by Dazo on Mar 23, 2005 4:24:32 GMT -5
No problem, I enjoy it ;D....my life is so empty 4 worlds really leap out at me when I look at the list 26,39,36- M-V - E798627-5 Ag 103 251 26,39,44- M-V - AAE497A-B Hi 105 2D5 27,39,46- K-V - A596797-B N Ag 601 155 29,39,45- M-VI - A974897-B 100 8BU Personally I would want to confine any development of the worlds in this part of wild space to these 4. The Junkyard world, I would place around 29,38,39- D a White dwarf unless I'm mistaken. I think the gravity of the only other planetless star would be to great, not to mention radiation and heat.
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Post by Destecado on Mar 24, 2005 12:12:17 GMT -5
Another advantage to the White Dwarf is the fact that the junkyard world (Ship Graveyard will also be obscured by the White Dwarf's planetary Nebulae.
Formation of a Planetary Nebulae
As more nuclear fuel is consumed, the inner core of the star collapses. The collapse increases the pressure within the core. The high pressure increases the intensity of the burining of fuel . This state is unstable and the star pulsates, ejecting much of its outer envelope.
This leaves hot, dense core of mostly carbon and a helium which eventually collapses into a white dwarf. The ejected envelope becomes a spherical shell of cooler thinner matter spread over a volume about the size of our solar system.
The planetary nebulae will not only obscure the junkyard world, it may also provide a fuel sorce for the junkyard world to harvest for fuel.
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Post by Dazo on Mar 30, 2005 4:08:44 GMT -5
Thats a pretty image very pretty indeed. Would the nebulae obscure only visual discovery or would it also prevent scanning with more complicated equipment. If so this would be a dangerous system indeed as any planetary debris would be obscured aswell, you could have small moons in there which you wouldn't see till the last minute.
What type of fuel, surely all the hydrogen would have been used up before the star collapsed.
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Post by Destecado on Mar 31, 2005 16:31:22 GMT -5
Thats a pretty image very pretty indeed. Would the nebulae obscure only visual discovery or would it also prevent scanning with more complicated equipment. If so this would be a dangerous system indeed as any planetary debris would be obscured aswell, you could have small moons in there which you wouldn't see till the last minute. What type of fuel, surely all the hydrogen would have been used up before the star collapsed. The star pretty much uses up the hydrogen and eventually turns to burning helium (which burns at a much higher temperature) as the star contracts. The nebulae would contain elemenst such as carbon, nitrogen and oxygen and other heavy elements (any element heavier than helium on the periodic table). The heavy elements will of course depend on the original makeup of the star. The difficulty for navigation would be dependant upon the elements present, but also upon the age of the star...how far along is it in thr process of becoming a white dwarf. As the star cools, it doesn't give off enough ultraviolet radiation to ionise the gas cloud (nebula). Once it has reached this point, the star becomes a white dwarf, and the gas cloud recombines, becoming invisible. The only reason that nebulaes glow is due to the ionization caused by a star or source of radiation that ionizes the particles. Typical about 10,000 years will pass between the formation and recombination of a planetary nebula. After further consideration, the nebula may not provide a ready fuel sorce, but it definitely holds the building blocks of life. As to planets, not all of the planets that originally orbited the star would have been caught within its initial expansion during the red giant stage. It is quite possible for a moon, asteroid belt or planetoid to still be orbiting somewhere within the nebula.
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