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Post by Destecado on Jun 8, 2004 3:33:36 GMT -5
Actually I was not trying to change the name of the pendulum tide. I am also not all together familiar with the ork fluff. What I was asking is if this is the phenomenon that we were attempting to describe, but frm your answers, it seems that you wish the pendulum tide to be something else entirely.
rather than trying to add more on top of this already potent force, could it be that something in the local warp topography magnifies or interacts with this effect? I am reminded of the waves on lake superior that are magnified by the curvature of the coastline. The waves are pushed into a smaller and smaller area. Since water does not really compress, the water is forced up, creating much larger waves.
Could it be that the warp storm front is some how acted upon by perhpas the stone's at the heart of the sector or maybe the event horizon of one or two local black holes. I'm just trying to find some reason why the local ork waagh would differ from any other waagh throughout the galaxy.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 12, 2004 2:45:33 GMT -5
I don't think that the Waagh is that different, to be fair. Orks get a bit hot and bothered under the colour, manifests itself through a psychic gestalt in the warlord. Our 'Wily Ork Warlord' pats this great hero on the back and ensures that he's got what he needs to get him to Castellan and removing the problem that the 'empowered' Waagh warlord is... The Waagh generates a favourable current in the warp to Castellan, where many Waaghs have broken up the rocks that are the hardy defenders of the Anargo Sector... And, thus far, the tide has ended as the Waagh was broken... AFAIK that's generally how it works the galaxy over... Kage
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Post by Destecado on Jun 14, 2004 3:38:10 GMT -5
Alright, but then what is the difference between the pendulum tide and how it happens throught the rest of the galaxy? Are we only trying to describe the effects of the "wave" hitting the defenses. I think it is self evident that a warp storm of this nature would pull anything along with. Being in the eye provides the ork ships with smooth sailing.
Is there a map of the sector that you can link so I can get an idea of where the Castellan Sub_sector is in realition to the "stones" at the Heart of the Sector. It may be that the Waaagh Storms sends out ripples across the warp, much like a rock dropped into a a body of water.
A big enough "rock", could divert currents and other warp features, that may take a while to return to normal. Maybe a portion of the ripples or waves are reflected back by the stones towards the Castellan Sub-Sector. Although these would be of lesser strength, the shear created by the intersection of the outgoing and returning waves, would play havoc on the Castellan Sub-Sector.
Usually a ship might be able to ride out the storm on the front of the wave, but the returning waves come back at an oblique angle causing the ships to be torn apart. the reflection off of the "stones" might also help to mask the actual position of the Waagh, because it distorts the leading edge of the storm making it difficult to track.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 14, 2004 10:01:29 GMT -5
Alright, but then what is the difference between the pendulum tide and how it happens throught the rest of the galaxy? Well, to be honest nothing in my mind... except that the 'warp wave' does get turned back. I think it is self evident that a warp storm of this nature would pull anything along with. Being in the eye provides the ork ships with smooth sailing. AFAIK it is not warp storm, but rather a current... Is there a map of the sector that you can link so I can get an idea of where the Castellan Sub_sector is in realition to the "stones" at the Heart of the Sector. The stones are not on the map... it's hard enough trying to get someone to produce the 'skeleton map', the 'pretty map' without moving onto warp maps at this point... I would really like to begin work on these, but to no avail at the moment. It may be that the Waaagh Storms sends out ripples across the warp, much like a rock dropped into a a body of water. That would seem self-evident to me... A big enough "rock", could divert currents and other warp features, that may take a while to return to normal. Well, that was one of the original concepts for the 'stones'... and, of course, some of the 'tide' might get through Castellan causing merry havoc. Indeed, it seems that Anargo is going to be the main subsector in trouble given it's proximity to Castellan... the shear created by the intersection of the outgoing and returning waves, would play havoc on the Castellan Sub-Sector. Interesting concept... and see above about Anargo. Usually a ship might be able to ride out the storm on the front of the wave, but the returning waves come back at an oblique angle... Hmmn... Wave propogation in the warp is going to get complex... I believe, however, the idea of the "pendulum" was to prevent the orks leading continuous Waaghs. AFAIK, however, standard 'orkiness' does that. But that doesn't prevent them calling it the Pendulum Tide out of misunderstanding... And, of course, it would be good to integrate the various warp phenomenon into a 'cohesive whole', though we must be careful not to link everything into the "Heart of Anargo" concept... Kage
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Post by Sikkukkut on Jun 15, 2004 14:36:38 GMT -5
I believe, however, the idea of the "pendulum" was to prevent the orks leading continuous Waaghs. Sorta kinda. The way I originally pictured Castellan was with the Imperial fortress line at one end, the greenskins at the other, and a nomansland (no-orks'-land) of devastated worlds in between that neither side was able to get a conclusive foothold in. That gave the warzone the flexibility for all sorts of things: attacks by each side on each side or fights over uncontrolled systems, as well as roleplaying and fiction scenarios to do with sneaking around in the rubble-worlds in between the lines. The Tide occurred to me as a neat way of making sure that neither side could conclusively dominate the central worlds of the subsector, and a mechanism by which we could write regular offensives by both sides into the sub's history. An historical campaign might be based around the Imperials trying to hold off the Orks until the Tide turns and greenskin reinforcements can't make it through any more; a more current campaign might deal with the Imperium gaining enough of an understanding of the Tide's dynamics that they can ride it futher into the ork worlds than they ever have before to try and destroy a set of 'ulk workshops or Gargant yards, and so on. Yo could even plot out an Inquisitor game where an Istvaanian Inquisitor is trying to suppress knowledge of how the Tide works, believing it to be a useful source of continual military challenges for the Imperial worlds. A secondary thought was that the idea of the Tide might get people thinking about the "meteorology" of the Warp in Anargo, with people starting to come up with ideas for other phenomena like spots of calm, spots of rough "weather", little named phenomena like currents or vortices and so on.
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Post by Destecado on Jun 21, 2004 2:52:18 GMT -5
Part of the discussion of the Sargasso Phenomenon touched on the strong warp current that runs through the Heart of the Sector. Out of curiosity, do this current also run through the Castellan Subsector? If so, I think I have a way of better defining the Pendulum tide.
Anyone that has gone white water rafting on a dammed river would probably understand. The water level on the river is pretty much kept in check by the dam. In order to allow white water rafting, several time a day the dam realeases a bubble of water. This raises the water level sufficiently to allow rafts to navigate the rapids.
If we think of the current as the river, then perhaps the Pendulum tide...or at least the initial stage of it could be thought of as a bubble realesed on a dammed river. Unlike the regulated flow realeased by the dam, the Waaagh would be more like the Dam bursting and all the water flowing down river at once.
The Waaagh would still be like a rock dropped in a pond with ripples moving out from its center, but like water, it would follow the path of least resisistance, which would be in or around the warp current flowing in the direction of the Anargo Sector. This might be an explanation of how the warp storm created by the Waagh becomes magnified as it moves down the warp current. Of course this explanation only works if the Castellan Subsector or the area of the subsector general attaced is on the main current or perhaps a major branch of the main current.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 22, 2004 1:10:24 GMT -5
I'm actually more keen on the 'current' entering into the Anargo sector and not touching upon Castellan. Current 'image' is that it enters somewhere along the x=0 (y=0-60, z=0-60) plane, heading towards Anargo and then bending towards the "Heart"...
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