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Post by zholud on Feb 1, 2004 10:51:12 GMT -5
However, one thing that I would ask: If a Traitor legion was ultimately responsible for the annexation of what would become the Anargo sector, then I would prefer it if some other subsector was the capital. Thus with the perfidy of the Traitors there would be a resultant shift in administrative capital... I again advise incorporation of this idea in Meksum-Anargo relationship. Even to the situation that during GC two sectors were created, with abovementioned planets as capitals. During the HH Meksum go on the side of heretics, so after pacification sectors were united and ‘good guys’ took the reigns. To make it no so one sided assume that during Age of Apostasy Anargo supported then active Vandire while Meksum helped Thor faction, or something similar. Any thoughts?
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 7, 2004 10:29:50 GMT -5
That also gets into a question of astrography. Are sectors arbitrary impositions in space having no meaning, or are they all linked? I do not think that Meksum and Anargo are sufficiently far apart to be two different sectors. Having Anargo subscribe to Vandire during the Apostasy would be a blow, true, and offer an entrance by which Meksum could both attract and develop their infrastructure. The old power would still be in Anargo, but the new economic power would have gradually shifted to Meksum. (Of course, it's unlikely to acquire status as the Anargo capital, but there we go... Kage
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Post by zholud on Feb 7, 2004 15:42:25 GMT -5
That also gets into a question of astrography. the warp-astrography I assume As for sectors I think they are more or less of arbitrary size. The reason to have sectors in BFG is that such space is optimal area for patrolling with such and such number of battleships, cruisers, etc. if we have several conquering armies which move fairly randomly and set the sector’s borders just like Americans during their west colonization I would assume that re-bordering was made after quite often.
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 7, 2004 21:16:12 GMT -5
Thus sayeth the law: Sectors are a means of categorisation of the divisoin of volume of the Imperium. As such they tend no to change... Kage
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Post by zholud on Feb 8, 2004 7:34:19 GMT -5
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Post by CELS on Feb 8, 2004 12:08:13 GMT -5
So, let's try to summarize the discussions about the Alpha Legion and the Age of Apostasy.
1) The Anargo sector was forged by the brave men of the Imperial armies during the Great Crusade, with the aid of the Alpha Legion. When the sector had been established, the Emperor himself came to inspect the fine soldiers that had fought with the courage and skill of Space Marines.
2) In the Age of Apostasy, the Anargo sector willingly follows the High Lord Vandire. The Meksum subsector resists (supporting the Thor faction), and war breaks out in the Anargo sector. When the heresy ends, the old rule of the Anargo sector is removed, but Anargo remains the sector capitol.
3) After the Vanidre Heresy, in M38 or so, the Alpha Legion returned to the Anargo sector. Starting sector-wide cults and doing massive damage to the sector's infrastructure through sabotage, the AL prepared a war that would all but cripple the sector. With the aid of neighbouring sector though, and the timely return of the Frost Wraiths, the AL plans were thwarted and the sector restored. The AL has had a grudge for the FW ever since, and have prepared to take their vengeance.
The cursed subsector could be tied to this war. One subsector might have fallen too far, and the war to save it led to its destruction. Or maybe a plague, orchestrated by Grandfather Nurgle?
Alternatively, the cursed subsector might have been destroyed in the Age of Apostasy. Not by the Anargo sector, but all by itself. Imagine a civil war so devastating that the citizens of the subsector fought to their death.
What say ye?
PS: I know we have seperate threads for all this, but I figured summing it all up would be just as good, since those threads are dead anyway.
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Post by zholud on Feb 8, 2004 12:26:09 GMT -5
Or maybe a plague, orchestrated by Grandfather Nurgle? I am sure that we have to have some plague, after all it is all medieval feel in it. I even volunteer to make it but after the several planets I need.
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Post by CELS on Feb 8, 2004 14:10:25 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly. I take it you agree with the rest then, since you never comment the stuff you agree with
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 8, 2004 15:47:54 GMT -5
A rather interesting proposition CELS... One problem, though: many people are advocating the setting of the Anargo sector in M38... since the AL thing is meant to be in the past... Well, the question is obvious! Kage
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Post by CELS on Feb 8, 2004 16:28:41 GMT -5
Is that a problem which can't be avoided by changing the date of the AL wars to either pre M38 or pre M36 (in other words, shortly before the Vandire heresy, or shortly after?) Or how about we put the AL wars during the Age of Apostasy? It's easy to forget that the war against chaos and aliens would continue, even in days of internal wars in the Imperium. It's not like the Alpha Legion would go "Oh, the Imperium is at its most vulnerable. Well, let's not take advantage of that. We Chaos Space Marines are gentlemen, after all..."
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 8, 2004 18:08:25 GMT -5
Nope.. that would be the easy solution, and quite appropriate. Oh, and BTW - Forgot to say that the proposed 'quick history' works quite well, and I rather like it. With that said, I have yet to see a decent argument about why the ASP should be set in M38, a proposition which at the moment sounds a bit like... well... cowardice! Kage
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Post by Minister on Feb 8, 2004 18:27:58 GMT -5
Keep 1, keep 2.
I'm thinking of the capital of the "Cursed" sector once having been a holdout for the Lord Cardinal Commandant of what was to become the Gothic sector. He refused to relinquish his power after the Decree Passive, and as a result a full-scale assault was launched, his world's status revoked and a quarentene imposed on the world (pushed for by a vengeful Mechanicus). The sector capital would then be in dispute between Anargo and Meksum.
I'm not advocating the placing of the Anargo sector int he deep past any more (simply early to mid rather than late 41st), but placing the Alpha war imediatley after the Apostacy...
Wait. Idea. Meksum is backed in its claim to sector command by forces which, unknownst to them, are under the control of the Alpha Legion. They are discredited, and loose out through no real fault of their own.
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 8, 2004 18:43:02 GMT -5
Why this link to the Gothic sector? Kage
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Post by Minister on Feb 8, 2004 19:08:52 GMT -5
Ah! Drat! Anargo! It's midnight and i'm working on two threads on two diferent boards at the same time. Sorry.
Anargo, not Gothic.
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Post by CELS on Feb 8, 2004 20:50:25 GMT -5
Why would they impose quarantene on a perfectly fine Imperial world just because a traitor has taken control? The cursed subsector needs to be cursed for a reason. Chaos seems the obvious choice.
I really like the idea of the Alpha Legion's forces joining the battle in disguise...! Of course, there is the problem that an Inquisitor will charge the commander of Meksum for aiding the forces of chaos, and have him and his followers burned... It's not like the Meksumians could just go "What? Alpha Legion? By the Emperor, we had no idea.... honest!" and that would be good enough.
PS: I agree on the time-setting. Early M41 is quite early enough.
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