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Post by zholud on Dec 31, 2003 22:38:11 GMT -5
If the Anargo sector is going to be really old we could have it's Forge Worlds be one of the few that are still manufacturing Protein Computers (A synthetic cognitive matrix used in Imperial Robots). I afraid that such Technology should lead to higher number of robots in the system, which could make it less 40k and more standard Space opera.
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 1, 2004 1:37:19 GMT -5
I afraid that such Technology should lead to higher number of robots in the system, which could make it less 40k and more standard Space opera. It would lead to an increase in the amount of Robots and any other technology which uses the protein computer yes, but that increase needn't all that big.
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Post by zholud on Jan 1, 2004 3:17:15 GMT -5
I guess we need - the list of machines which use such tech.
- how much they are improved comparing to ‘ordinary’ imperial tech?
- why it hasn’t spread throughout Imperium yet? Remember, we have 100 centuries at hand
- How this links to new Forge World, which is much more biological?
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 1, 2004 3:40:57 GMT -5
the list of machines which use such tech. Imperial Robots, some small Adeptus Mechanicus Titans aswell as some old Adeptus Mechanicus logic engines. how much they are improved comparing to ‘ordinary’ imperial tech? They aren't really improved but are more complex. Also helps minimise human casualties. why it hasn’t spread throughout Imperium yet? Remember, we have 100 centuries at hand The Adeptus Mechanicus won't allow access to the technology, also some more advanced protein computers verge on AI which is techno-heresy (Golden Man, Iron Man wars).
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Post by CELS on Jan 1, 2004 3:49:44 GMT -5
They aren't really improved but are more complex. Also helps minimise human casualties. Minimise human casualties!? You do realise that we're talking 40k, right? Human lives are cheap, robots are expensive. You do the math The Adeptus Mechanicus won't allow access to the technology, also some more advanced protein computers verge on AI which is techno-heresy (Golden Man, Iron Man wars). Techno-heresy is a very interesting subject! And we actually talked on Portent about how machine spirits from Proteus could be different from others. Improved in some ways, but 'temperamental' and difficult at times. This could be on account on their advanced and ancient technolog, which hasn't been fully mastered yet. Really though, I think we're getting OffT now. Maybe continue this discussion in the Adeptus Mechanicus thread, under the Imperium forum?
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 1, 2004 5:10:09 GMT -5
The reason that I was averse to originally creating this board was that I did not want any specific threads degenerating - as far as possible - into discussions of things that were more appropriate for the subsector thread. I must admit that I only have time to skim-read this thread, but we're concentrating on the Forgeworlds and the adeptus mechanicus at the moment... The adeptus mechanicus and Forgeworld/Knightworld/whatever concetps should be discussed in that subsector first. Then and only then should it be brought to the 'meta' thread for discussion. Kage
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Post by zholud on Jan 1, 2004 6:30:42 GMT -5
The reason that I was averse to originally creating this board was that I did not want any specific threads degenerating - as far as possible - into discussions of things that were more appropriate for the subsector thread. I must admit that I only have time to skim-read this thread, but we're concentrating on the Forgeworlds and the adeptus mechanicus at the moment... Maybe you are right Kage (after all you are Da Boss ) but I think we should post concepts which affect whole sector to this thread. The historical dates of Forge should coincide with sector history (no giving ships to Imperium before Ultramarines came, etc) … if protein artificial brains are just rare artefacts then of course, they move to specialised thread…
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Post by Sojourner on Jan 1, 2004 11:28:16 GMT -5
Damn Forgeworlds...undercutting Trireme Apollo's market for matriculators...mutter....grumble...
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 1, 2004 12:36:22 GMT -5
Maybe you are right Kage (after all you are Da Boss ) but I think we should post concepts which affect whole sector to this thread. The historical dates of Forge should coincide with sector history (no giving ships to Imperium before Ultramarines came, etc) … if protein artificial brains are just rare artefacts then of course, they move to specialised thread… The point that I was trying to raise was that the discussion on the nature of Proteus history should not be discussed here, but rather how that relates to the histories of the other subsectors. Given that we're in the conceptual stage for a 'meta-history' such discussion is inappropriate and, as such, should be taken to the Proteus board. Oh and I might be 'Da Boss' but at the moment this seems to make the greatest amount of sense. Kage
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Post by CELS on Jan 1, 2004 14:37:13 GMT -5
Getting back to the matter at hand then, do we really want the Ultramarines to be the ones claiming this sector in the Great Crusade? It's just that there are other legions that you don't hear as much about, which would make things that much more interesting. I like the Ultramarines, but I'm just so hungry to hear more about the less known loyal legions. Or.... perhaps this sector was claimed by what later turned out to be a traitor legion!! Cool... My suggestions; Raven Guard, Death Guard, Alpha Legion. Of course, I don't know if any of them were present this side of the galaxy during the Great Crusade....
Speaking of crusades, what about earlier crusades in Anargo? Perhaps a crusade against the orks? Would just be a cool period that would set its mark on the sector and make the story more characterful, IMO. There would be famous ruins from the crusade, a lot of monuments raised in honour of the Space Marine chapters, Imperial Guard regiments and Titan Legions that participated in the crusade and helped the sector.
The sector has ten millennia of history, and we need to fill it up, lads. Make this an interesting place and all. That doesn't mean that the sector has constantly been at war, or struggled with heresies and rebellions, etc, but.... you get my point, I hope.
Similarly important events? I would like to see some cool powerplay between important past figures of Anargo. Perhaps the individuals contending for the title of Sector Governor (or whatever the title is), or some kind of rivalry between Anargo and Meksum that led to hostilities. Perhaps Anargo wasn't always the capitol? Just some cool rivalry, perhaps corruption and even heresy... maybe some involvement from the Officio Assassinorum...
Anything else? Perhaps an episode where warp storms ravaged the sector, making warp travel close to impossible in certain subsectors? Perhaps isolating the Castellum subsector, leaving them unsupported in the war against orks? Or isolating Anargo, taking away the sector's leadership...
Abuse and mockery of my suggestions is welcome.
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Post by zholud on Jan 2, 2004 2:08:55 GMT -5
So, maybe we should start 3 history threads; - Dates only thread, each sub-sector or even planet post own most important dates and later we’ll unite them after checking for consistency.
- Main/general background. Fluff that affects whole sector: Hiberation, Heresy, Storms, Waagh!
- Just ideas thread, which contains ideas on politics, grudges, just interesting tidbits which maybe later will go to specific planet or such.
Am I made myself clear?
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Post by CELS on Jan 2, 2004 5:00:06 GMT -5
LoL! I like it when you speak with such authority, zholud! ;D Personally, I think we should just keep using this thread to discuss "main/general background" (the kind of stuff that affects the whole sector), start a new thread for dates, like you suggested. I don't feel we should have a seperate thread for ideas on politics and other interesting tidbits. Either we put such ideas in this thread, or we put it in the Imperium thread, or whatever. Try to keep things simple
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 2, 2004 5:21:56 GMT -5
Fine... then perhaps start the threads so that I don't have to do it I'm also going to return to some of the more detailed comments above by CELS since no-one has done so thus far. I'm personally not fussed either way. The UM's were selected more because of the establishment of the whole Macragge thing over at the coreword portion of the Imperium. The only problem with this is that people would use it as an excuse to beef up the presence of Chaos in the sector... This may or may not be a bad thing, but again over-statement of 'cool concepts' can be problematic. Thus with the orks, thus with Chaos...? Of course, with that said Chaos is everywhere: the creeping corruption that undermines. I'd just like to minimise the whole Chaos warband arguments... That would be interesting... Actually, I'm going to start a timeline thread to see what we can come up with in terms of a concrete structure. As both you and zholud say later, let this be the general one... The rivalry between Anargo and Meksum seems to be an established part of the project, now, so I definitely see some movement here. The question is how it would be manifested. I believe the original suggestion was that Anargo has always been the capital. At first it was both the administrative and economic 'heart' of the sector (an amusing term given that all the subsectors hug the 'outside' of the sector), but with the 'recent' formation of the second forgeworld and the expansion of the output of the Meksum subsector this is now being threatened... And by 'recent' and 'now' in the above one can of course put it back a millennia or two if so desired. A fascinating suggestion that you might want to make via Sikkukkut in the fortress subsector. This is going to be less of a problem than one might originally think... Kage
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Post by CELS on Jan 2, 2004 6:13:20 GMT -5
Fine... then perhaps start the threads so that I don't have to do it Heh, ok. Not much to work with at the moment though. I'm also going to return to some of the more detailed comments above by CELS since no-one has done so thus far. Better than nothing, I suppose I'm personally not fussed either way. The UM's were selected more because of the establishment of the whole Macragge thing over at the coreword portion of the Imperium. Yeah, I know. I'm just sick of hearing about them as the saviours of mankind and founders of the Imperium, s'all. There were other Space Marines too. The only problem with this is that people would use it as an excuse to beef up the presence of Chaos in the sector... This may or may not be a bad thing, but again over-statement of 'cool concepts' can be problematic. Thus with the orks, thus with Chaos...? Yeah, I thought of that. But at the end of the day, we (and you most of all) are still the one calling the shots. If someone uses this idea to come up with some crazy conspiracy theory, or theorize that the Anargo sector is just a huuge Alpha Legion cult, all we need to do is reject the idea. Of course, with that said Chaos is everywhere: the creeping corruption that undermines. I'd just like to minimise the whole Chaos warband arguments... Yeah, of course. As long as we don't include any strange incidents in the founding of the Anargo sector, there shouldn't be a problem. I actually think it's cool to have more traces of the good accomplishments of the Traitor legions. We almost never hear about that, and some of them were actually close to good guys. Hearing more about their greatness adds to the lovely tragedy. So would anyone mind if we changed this? I think it would be really cool. Sikkukkut? Zoomdog? Anyone? The rivalry between Anargo and Meksum seems to be an established part of the project, now, so I definitely see some movement here. The question is how it would be manifested. Something to think about, at any rate. Would like to see some squabbling between power-hungry politicians in the history of Anargo. And by 'recent' and 'now' in the above one can of course put it back a millennia or two if so desired. I would like that. Make the history of Anargo a bit more 'turbulent', if you will. This is going to be less of a problem than one might originally think... Really? Why? I think it would be really interesting, and especially if there was some kind of powerplay going on. Or don't you think that some of the more independent factions of the Anargo sector might take advantage of this?
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 2, 2004 6:50:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I know. I'm just sick of hearing about them as the saviours of mankind and founders of the Imperium, s'all. There were other Space Marines too. <grin> Well, that's fair enough. I have a knee-jerk reaction which makes me say the same things about Marines, i.e. "There were other people fighting within the Great Crusade other than the Marines". Yeah, I thought of that...all we need to do is reject the idea. Fair enough, but I would have been remiss in my 'duties' if I had not pointed this out. In that case I would not have any problems with this alteration... However, one thing that I would ask: If a Traitor legion was ultimately responsible for the annexation of what would become the Anargo sector, then I would prefer it if some other subsector was the capital. Thus with the perfidy of the Traitors there would be a resultant shift in administrative capital... Something to think about, at any rate. Would like to see some squabbling between power-hungry politicians in the history of Anargo. Yes, so would I. I dislike "In the dark future there is only war" and prefer to insert 'politics' there. We are, after all, a social species... Really? Why? I think it would be really interesting, and especially if there was some kind of powerplay going on. Or don't you think that some of the more independent factions of the Anargo sector might take advantage of this? Remember that the concept of 'centralised rule' is fairly redundant when one considers that the Imperium is based on an imperial/feudal system. The Imperial Commander of Anargo has no direct administrative power of the other worlds... Hmmn, in fact I feel another thread coming on, or maybe just another point to be raised in the Imperium board. Kage
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