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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 30, 2003 11:28:42 GMT -5
Well, after due consideration I decided that CELS was right and we needed a place to discuss the over-arching history of the Anargo sector. From the beginning of the universe (yeah, right) to the War in Heaven and beyond... Kage
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Post by zholud on Dec 30, 2003 15:59:34 GMT -5
I was toying with my Hiveworld and decided to add such a concept. The sector was reconquested simultaneously from several points and when dust settled both Anargo and Meksum appeared to be proclaimed as the capitals. However Admiral Anargo chooses Anargo as his residence. Since then the feud between capital and Hiveworld exists which grows to open conflict at the times of Horus Heresy and Age of Apostasy. What do you think?
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 30, 2003 16:16:30 GMT -5
I know how I would reply to this question, but I thought that I would ask it anyway: What prevents Meksum becoming the new administrative capital? There must be a concept or feature of administration other than tradition which maintains Anargo's pre-eminent position. (Well, other than it's association with the ship yards at Anargo Secundus...) Kage
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Post by CELS on Dec 30, 2003 20:27:25 GMT -5
I'm just going to try and write a simple timeline covering what we have so far M28 (?) - Proteus is colonised by the AM M30 - The great crusade reaches Anargo, and the Anargo sector is forged (by Ultramarines?). What was the sector like before the Great crusade? M31 - Great Heresy. Do any of the surviving traitor make it as far as Anargo during the great scouring? Ok... not a very long timeline... nor detailed, I admit So what would happen after the Great Heresy? Have there been any great episodes in Imperial history that have affected the entire Imperium, including Anargo? The Vandire Heresy perhaps? Has the war with the Orks been going on since before the Great crusade? Have there been any major waaagh!s worth putting on this timeline? Have there been any wars with the Eldar, or any chaos invasions or Black crusades reaching the sector? Have any planets been lost, or new planets been colonised since the great crusade? I don't expect anyone to answer all these questions (though it would be great), but if any ideas came up as you read them, be sure to share them. One thing I would like to see having happened in the sector, is an Imperial crusade of some sort. Maybe an Ork waaagh! overran the Castellan sector some time in the past, and the Anargo sector needed help from other sectors to reclaim it. Perhaps there was a huge rebellion or chaos uprising. Or perhaps the Vandire Heresy had some consequences that might have led to an Imperial crusade...
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Post by zholud on Dec 31, 2003 1:56:03 GMT -5
What prevents Meksum becoming the new administrative capital? What prevents NY becoming the Capital of US. This is decision of sector and above, not planet.
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 31, 2003 8:45:17 GMT -5
M28 (?) - Proteus is colonised by the AM How about this: 441.M28 - Proteus is colonised by the AM, several of the surrounding planets also colonised. Proteus becomes home to the Burning Lance Titan Legion. 460.M28 – STC fragment discovered. Proteus begins production of the Anargo variant Chimera. 463.M28 – Proteus becomes the major supply base in the Anargo sector. Production increases 250% Obviously this will require some more work (since I just ‘threw it together’ in a few minutes) but it helps to add more depth to the already growing history of the Anargo sector. This can be change or omitted it is up to you, but I thought it would be good to add some individuality into the sector instead of creating a clone of an existing one. This was my attempt to create a bit of character for the Proteus Forge World.
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Post by CELS on Dec 31, 2003 10:13:19 GMT -5
How about this: 441.M28 - Proteus is colonised by the AM, several of the surrounding planets also colonised. Proteus becomes home to the Burning Lance Titan Legion. That soon? Hm. I haven't really given thought to when exactly the Legion would be founded, but obviously the Forgeworld would start out with a small demi-legion from Mars. Perhaps these would be made a new Legion, dubbed the Burning Lance legion already at their departure from Mars. I don't think that Proteus would be capable of producing new Titans for some time after its AM colonisation though. 460.M28 – STC fragment discovered. Proteus begins production of the Anargo variant Chimera. This can be change or omitted it is up to you, but I thought it would be good to add some individuality into the sector instead of creating a clone of an existing one. A good idea, and we've already mentioned this a while back. We were going for new Leman Russ variants though, but I must admit the possibilities are rather limited with that tank. Perhaps a Chimera with a plasma cannon? Or a Sentinel with a plasma cannon? Perhaps some cool technology for the Frostwraiths Space Marine chapter. Suggestions? 463.M28 – Proteus becomes the major supply base in the Anargo sector. Production increases 250% This was my attempt to create a bit of character for the Proteus Forge World. Proteus wouldn't actually be the major supply base for the Anargo sector untill the Ultramarine forged the sector in the name of the Imperium in the Great Crusade, probably M30 or late M29.
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 31, 2003 10:20:07 GMT -5
but obviously the Forgeworld would start out with a small demi-legion from Mars. No they would have brought a full Titan Legion with them (16 Titans) The Adeptus Mechanicus have the largest transports in the galaxy capable of carrying 16 Imperator class Titans (The biggest there is) as well as their support crews, and since very few legions are composed of solely Imperator class titans, transporting a full legion of Titans is no problem for the Adeptus Mechanicus.
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Post by malika on Dec 31, 2003 10:25:22 GMT -5
what about a STC for some sort of freezing weapon...would be kinda cool for the frostwraiths...
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Post by CELS on Dec 31, 2003 11:04:14 GMT -5
No they would have brought a full Titan Legion with them (16 Titans) The Adeptus Mechanicus have the largest transports in the galaxy capable of carrying 16 Imperator class Titans (The biggest there is) as well as their support crews, and since very few legions are composed of solely Imperator class titans, transporting a full legion of Titans is no problem for the Adeptus Mechanicus. I see. Do you have any official fluff to back this up? Unfortunately, I didn't start playing untill 2nd edition, so I have rather little fluff on the subject. In fact, I'm just working off the opinions of Portent fluffers, who claim that 16 Titans would in fact be a Demi-Legion (mentioned in the Storm Of Iron novel, I think) What transport are you talking about by the way? Doesn't sound like any of the transports that have been mentioned in our discussions previously. I'm sure Minister would love to hear about a new class! As for Legions composed solely of Imperator class Titans, I was under the impression that it was only one Legion; Legio Ordo Sinister. I look forward to hearing more about the Titan Legions. You seem to know more about them than any of the people I've talked to. But please make it clear what is official fluff and what is based on your own calculations and theories.
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Post by zholud on Dec 31, 2003 11:45:47 GMT -5
441.M28 - Proteus is colonised by the AM, several of the surrounding planets also colonised. Proteus becomes home to the Burning Lance Titan Legion. I guess that date should be moved to M27, just because most stuff in 40k-verse is long to develop. And why would they start with Titans? My POV is that Titans produced after rediscovery by Imperium. 460.M28 – STC fragment discovered. Proteus begins production of the Anargo variant Chimera. Just to be nitpicky, should we get original and stop discovering only vehicles? I even agree to keep military STC, just add more imagination. 463.M28 – Proteus becomes the major supply base in the Anargo sector. Production increases 250% This should be after crusade, unless you think that a small AM Empire during AoS is good idea. And specify the nature of supply, not everything militaryAbout freezing weapon. I guess it is nice touch, despite I vote for pseudo-freeze, like stunners… or give me even space opera physics of freezer…
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 31, 2003 11:56:35 GMT -5
I see. Do you have any official fluff to back this up? Unfortunately, I didn't start playing untill 2nd edition, so I have rather little fluff on the subject. Until I discover the validity of the 'Liber Mechanicus' then no I don't. In fact, I'm just working off the opinions of Portent fluffers, who claim that 16 Titans would in fact be a Demi-Legion (mentioned in the Storm Of Iron novel, I think) This is from Liber Mechanicus so I am unsure of its validity. A Titan Legion is normally 16 Titans (semi and demi-legions being 8 and 4 respectively). What transport are you talking about by the way? Doesn't sound like any of the transports that have been mentioned in our discussions previously. I'm sure Minister would love to hear about a new class! As far as I know, the Titan transporters are exclusive to the Adeptus Mechanicus. No other Imperial institution can have access to them. Whether they form their own class of ship or not, I'm unsure. As for Legions composed solely of Imperator class Titans, I was under the impression that it was only one Legion; Legio Ordo Sinister. The Legio Ordo Sinister is the most elite and senior of the Titan Legions and consists of only twelve Imperator class Titans. Whether this is the total number of Titans in the legion I don't know. I look forward to hearing more about the Titan Legions. You seem to know more about them than any of the people I've talked to. But please make it clear what is official fluff and what is based on your own calculations and theories. All the information I have on Titan Legions has come from a collection of sources (whether they are offical sources is unknown) I have only added my own theories into one area of the Adeptus Mechanicus and that is the internal cults (using information discussed on Portent).
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Post by CELS on Dec 31, 2003 12:29:21 GMT -5
I guess that date should be moved to M27, just because most stuff in 40k-verse is long to develop. Why? The reason I chose M28, is that I assumed that areas that are so distant to Mars would be colonised last. If our forgeworld comes from a time when the AM were still colonising the Segmentum Solar, the fleet that landed on Proteus would have to be thrown waaaay off course. And why would they start with Titans? My POV is that Titans produced after rediscovery by Imperium. I'm not sure about this, actually... will look it up. Just to be nitpicky, should we get original and stop discovering only vehicles? I even agree to keep military STC, just add more imagination. Aye, good point. It's just that to us wargamers, these things tend to come to mind first. Perhaps this forgeworld also designed some kind of tractor running on fusion cells, but that's not in our primary field of concern. If any RPGers have suggestions on other things that this forgeworld has created, or if any BFG players have suggestions for new escort classes, etc, I'm all ears. This should be after crusade, unless you think that a small AM Empire during AoS is good idea. My thoughts exactly. About freezing weapon. I guess it is nice touch, despite I vote for pseudo-freeze, like stunners… or give me even space opera physics of freezer… Personally, I don't like this idea much. Allow me to explain why... Chapters with names such as Infernal Guards, Flaming Talons or Emperor's Flames are likely to have a lot of heavy flamers, regular flamers and hand flamers. Chapters with names such as Flesh Tearers or Sons of Carnage are like likely to have a lot of chainswords and other messy weapons. There is no typical Adeptus Astartes weaponry that uses freeze-rays or anything similar though, so it is not given that the Frostwraiths should have such weapons. In fact, I would oppose this suggestion, because it gives the chapter a weapon technology that I have never heard of before. Why would this Chapter have such weapons that are exclusive to them? There's a big difference between making a rhino variant with a multi-melta turret or a dreadnought with whirlwind missiles, and creating a rhino variant with a giant freeze gun. Why? Because the first two examples use technology that is fairly common in the Imperium, whilst the third doesn't. If we're going to have any kind of technologies that are unique to this sector, we had better come up with some damn good explanations.
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Post by zholud on Dec 31, 2003 13:12:44 GMT -5
The reason I chose M28, is that I assumed that areas that are so distant to Mars would be colonised last. If our forgeworld comes from a time when the AM were still colonising the Segmentum Solar, the fleet that landed on Proteus would have to be thrown waaaay off course. This depends on the image of the timeline. From what we know, the warp storms became more and more devastating when time of the Fall was coming, while the stock of slave navigators (and their quality) was decreasing. Thus, quite possible that the oldest AoS period Forge Worlds are the most distant ones. At least, IMHO… Aye, good point. It's just that to us wargamers, these things tend to come to mind first. Perhaps this forgeworld also designed some kind of tractor running on fusion cells, but that's not in our primary field of concern. If any RPGers have suggestions on other things that this forgeworld has created, or if any BFG players have suggestions for new escort classes, etc, I'm all ears. I guess fields and warp drives are speciality of the forges, after all these two branches are the highest tech ones… also biology marvels could be used instead of ‘just cogs’… There is no typical Adeptus Astartes weaponry that uses freeze-rays or anything similar though, so it is not given that the Frostwraiths should have such weapons. Make it sole artefact similar to the Soul Spear for Soul Drinkers or new weapon with child appearance, but wargame characteristics of bolter or flamer. If GW uses depleted deuterium use frozen deuterium instead If we're going to have any kind of technologies that are unique to this sector, we had better come up with some damn good explanations. If not tech then maybe artefacts of unknown nature?
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 31, 2003 13:29:54 GMT -5
If the Anargo sector is going to be really old we could have it's Forge Worlds be one of the few that are still manufacturing Protein Computers (A synthetic cognitive matrix used in Imperial Robots).
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