|
|
Post by malika on Sept 9, 2004 5:14:36 GMT -5
Ok...Malal came up in another thread here (touch of frost...erm fantasy). And I started to think about that...Malal, looked up some fluff that is about this God and it looked very intruiging.
I know that officially Malal is no longer part of Games Workshop (eventhough there are the Sons of Malice who have a very suspicious Malite color scheme), but since this project tries to not stick too much to the official GW stuff it could be a possibility to use this.
Malal is the god who hates the other Chaos Gods...this could be something? Some very radical Inquisitor hooking up with a few Malites? What about a small very radical sect of Inquisitors forming a Malite cult?
Another cool idea could be that there are Malite champions out there, loners, not really warbands. Individuals hunting down Chaos Cults or Imperial Cults.
Kinda see Malal as some sort of extrememist atheist.
What do you think of it? Could we include Malal? Any ideas you got?
|
|
|
|
Post by Dazo on Sept 9, 2004 7:17:31 GMT -5
This is what Daemonknight had to say over on 40k CA, and he's a sound guy so i'm happy to accept what he says.
Quote
Malal is the Lost God, the Power of Chaos that represents Chaos' indiscriminate tendency toward destruction, even of itself. His dark temple is bleak and stark, compared to the edifices of the other Chaos deities. Witchfires burn at seemingly random places around his hall, and glimpses of futures that might be flicker within them. One long hall is dedicated to trophies collected. A Bloodthirster rages against the spikes driven into it's limbs, nailing it to the wall. A plucked Lord of Change lies curled up in a very small cage, it's bared flesh covered in welts. A Keeper of secrets floats blinded and deafened, denied any sensation whatsoever. And dozens of champions all displayed, important, cut off from their gods. Tallykeepers scurry through the darkened hall, inscribing the fate of those on display, and placing the newly arrived.
Malal loves using trickery to cause the other Chaos Gods to lash out against each other. A spell here, a broken vial there, a strip of fabric, an uprising, or a single word. These are the tools that Malal uses in his plot to undermine and destroy the Chaos Gods. Malal's powers come from the struggle of a single (relatively) powerless figure trying to fight a larger oppressor. Every slave that plots against his master, every worker that hates his boss, every peasant who looks with anger upon the places of the rich, every man who cries out to the uncaring gods about his placement in life feeds more power to Malal.
Malal is usually depicted as a towering humanoid with wolflike and crocodilian features. His hands have six fingers apiece. Three eyes look out from his head. A horde of teeth, Lion-like, Shark-like, Cow-like, and Rat-like, jut from his jaws.
Symbol: The symbol of Malal is a skull, bisected down the middle, one half white, the other black. This can vary from very stylized, to very naturalistic or even bestial. His followers favor black and white, especially bisected patternings.
Number: The number eleven is associated with Malal.
Worship: Malal is not a god of warriors, nor of wizards, the decadent, or the desperate. He is the god that the lower classes turn to to avenge themselves on the higher classes who attempt to strangle and stop them from their true glory. He is also the god of those who have been wronged, but lack the power to correct this. His followers come from people whose hatred of Chaos becomes so strong, that they willingly bond with Chaos to fight it at it's own level. Many an overzelous official or priest has lost his soul to Chaos when he allowed his hatred to blind him to the price he was paying.
As to Malal in ASP why not, I have no problems, he is a fairly safe chaos power as he doesn't send armies rampaging across the galaxy so his impact would be minimal to the project and there by not in danger of wrecking it.
|
|
|
|
Post by malika on Sept 9, 2004 8:36:45 GMT -5
I like the idea of some sort of warrior..wel rogue who has been hurt by some Chaos Cult when he/she was a child to go out there...killing Chaos Cults, psychers and maybe even daemons in the name of Malal.
His or her soul has been consumed by this God and now this warrior is out to get revenge against the Chaos Gods for what they did, so basicly hunting powerfull Chaos Cults and leaders...sort of a Desperado...like that movie...*idea pops up*
|
|
|
|
Post by CELS on Sept 9, 2004 9:04:29 GMT -5
How do I put this eloquently.... N O [/u][/size][/color]  First and foremost because I don't think there's any room for Malal in 40k. In Warhammer FB he's a very characterful and interesting god, but in 40k, with the Great Deceiver and the Laughing God and other gods, he just becomes a tutti-frutti of everyone else. Second, because Malal is not part of official GW fluff. I know many of you won't see this as a good argument, but there you go. Hmm... I could go on, but I realize it's very much just a matter of gut feeling. This just feels wrong and uncool, to me. |
|
|
|
Post by malika on Sept 9, 2004 9:15:42 GMT -5
Well...we disagree on that one then I guess, because I think there is plenty of room for Malal. I mean there are many minor Chaos powers/Gods out there, this will not be on the same scale as the normal Chaos Gods or Gods from the other races. (I dont count the Deceiver since it isnt really a God but energy manifested in Living Metal and worshipped as a God) And the "its not official anymore" isnt a good argument  , I mean what we are doing now is already fully unofficial, the sort of trying to create "realism" in this sector is unofficial...if we were official we should have had 10 forgeworld per sub-sector and at least some warpgate (Eye of Terror style) and a whole lot of C'tan stuff... But since we are not working in the way GW dictates us to do we could do some more things and are less limited. |
|
|
|
Post by Lordof on Sept 10, 2004 4:47:56 GMT -5
I love Malal and thinks he is an awesome concept.
It also allows more room for people who just like being evil and malicious but don't want to be a generic Chaos Groupie.
There could be room for a Malalite in the Anargo sector but they would be extremely rare and either very incognito or openly viscous and murderous towards the followers of the other gods.
|
|
|
|
Post by malika on Sept 10, 2004 6:59:47 GMT -5
Im very fond of some sort of El Mariachi character, who is out there, killing Cultists massively.
Sort of vicious anti hero type of guy or girl who we all would love to hate.
|
|
|
|
Post by Lordof on Sept 12, 2004 9:35:57 GMT -5
However if we want a character like that i think we should stick well away from him having anything to do with being musical in nature.
|
|
|
|
Post by malika on Sept 12, 2004 14:00:25 GMT -5
We can keep the music out...perhaps let him have a normal suitcase Out there avenging the horror the Cults have done to him or something |
|
|
|
Post by Lordof on Sept 12, 2004 21:46:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind the idea of him being known to some of the Inquisition and is just left alone to do his thing.
I think the idea of someone who is sorta gunslinger type or a knife fighter type is a nice idea.
|
|
|
|
Post by malika on Sept 13, 2004 2:40:28 GMT -5
The character isnt really a murderer in nature, but something forced him too (revenge...Malal) and now he is out there killing these Cults and local Lords. Perhaps trapped by Malal forever.
|
|
|
|
Post by Kage2020 on Sept 13, 2004 9:59:33 GMT -5
Malal was only ever introduced in the WFB and WFRP 'fluff' and never the 40k material. While the universes were originally mean to be linked, rather than some rather tongue-in-cheek/childish references they are now considered to be not linked. Ergo Malal as previously defined is not a part of the 40k universe.
As to integrating Malal-like concepts? It's possible but not in the way the you appear to be advocating. Technically speaking, the ordo malleus is, for example, following Malal-like tendencies. (E.g. the original WFRP 'fluff' had Malal as hunting followers, daemons, etc., of the other Chaos Gods.) That creates an interesting perspective to the 'line' that is referred to with puritanical and radical Inquisitors...
But beyond that? I'm not sure... The inclusion of any Malal-like follower should be carefully done and circumspect. Furthermore, they're not going to go around shouting "Chaos souls for Malal" or something equally cliche and tedious.
While I'm not going to take CELS' somewhat stringent stance on this, I would still advocate a great deal of care. We work within the holistic 'fluff', including all the editions... The fact that Malal was never a part of the 40k universe tends to negate that, and as evident in various threads on this board, I do not advocate a significant reinterpretation of the 40k universe outside of the 'boundaries' imposed by the aforementioned 'holistic' approach.
|
|
, I mean what we are doing now is already fully unofficial, the sort of trying to create "realism" in this sector is unofficial...if we were official we should have had 10 forgeworld per sub-sector and at least some warpgate (Eye of Terror style) and a whole lot of C'tan stuff...
