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Post by malika on Jul 24, 2004 2:47:10 GMT -5
Would there be planets in the Anargo sector which are under full control of Chaos, I dont mean a Deamon World or something, but more something in the lines of Traitor Guard having occupied a planet and have taken control of it.
For "logical" reasons I could only see these planets being located in the Sargassos Subsector. But would there be a fully Chaos controlled planet in the Anargo Sector?
I left out the former "Iron Warrior Fortress" thing because that seems to be under control of the Orks (who are kind of being corrupted by it).
I would also assume that the planet is somehow hidden from the Imperium or protected somehow, lets say by Warp Storms.
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Post by ZoomDog on Jul 26, 2004 0:26:26 GMT -5
I'd say that any world fully under the control of Chaos would become at least partially a 'Demon World', that is, the borders between the Materium and the Warp are weaker there. If the forces of Chaos do indeed rule unchallenged, then there are bound to be countless sacrifices, dark churches, rituals and other forms of worship. Warp Portals would be created, Demons summoned, more death and carnage etc. Rinse and repeat. Eventually it would spiral down to actually becoming a Demon World.
It's possible, of course, that the world was only just conquered by Chaos, thus it hasn't yet had time to sink into Demonism, yet the question has to be asked: how did the traitors conquer the world so quickly without the aid of Demons (or why wouldn't they chose to use them?)
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Post by CELS on Jul 26, 2004 0:35:22 GMT -5
The lad is right. Eventually, a world that has fallen to chaos will become a daemonworld, through rituals of summoning and the corruption of psykers.
Of course, one might ask why all the chaos-held worlds in the Sabbat crusade didn't become daemonworlds. As I understand it, some of them had been taken by chaos a while back.
I don't see how any worlds in the Imperial subsectors of Anargo could fall utterly to Chaos, because without outside help, I can't imagine how that could happen so quickly that Imperial forces couldn't send reinforcements to stop it. Maybe a world in the Sargassos subsector though? Isolated by the Sargassos gulf?
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Post by Dazo on Jul 26, 2004 0:38:09 GMT -5
Yep thats how it works, once a powerful daemon is summoned or the daemon the cultists were working for shows up the world is subsumed totally by chaos. CELS' edit; Thanks for repeating what he said, Dazo Ahem sorry bout that
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Post by MalikaChevack on Jul 26, 2004 0:50:55 GMT -5
An isolated world sounds good, right now Im watching eXistenZ which is giving me some ideas for a story line, most people on the world are Chaos worshippers who try to turn the world into a Deamonworld, opening portals that sort of thing. However there are a group of "Realists" they want it to become a normal Imperial planet again, so basicly these are a small group of pro Imperial rebels trying to retake the world and "restore reality" of a sort.
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Post by Dazo on Jul 26, 2004 0:57:15 GMT -5
Interesting reversal of roles, the imperium is the rebel faction, but how would they be managing to suvive, surely their psycic signature would stick out like a sore thumb on a chaos world. Also they would have a limited time frame for sucess as i'm sure the inquisition and a rather large fleet would be winging its way towards them. At least i would assume that would be the case i may be wrong, i often am
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Post by malika on Jul 26, 2004 1:11:19 GMT -5
You make a good point, I am not sure yet how that would be worked out...oh wait I have an idea. The warp portals are not yet created, so basicly the planet is just still filled with Traitor Guard and perhaps some Alpha Legionaires, but no Daemons yet, the portals still have to be built, so that is where these rebels come in. Trying to prevent the portals from being built.
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Post by CELS on Jul 26, 2004 1:42:51 GMT -5
This kind of reminds me about the Anargo Chronicles though Perhaps the ideas can be combined..
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Post by malika on Jul 26, 2004 1:54:02 GMT -5
That could be really good, the basis of the story here, something like: "this world has been infected with Chaos...Imperial Rebels try to liberate the world from evil" something like that. And then the Anargo Chronicles could cover stories on the planet, reports from Rebels, or perhaps reports from Traitors as well.
Something like a historical databank
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Post by Dazo on Jul 26, 2004 3:14:49 GMT -5
Yes it could, a few problems though, One, this world would have to be cut of from the rest of anargo otherwise the fleet and the inquisition would arrive with many troops and kill every body
Two, if it was cut off the rebels wouldn't last very long, no food no supplies, and you wouldn't want them touching chaos stuff because it might be tainted. So they would need support, maybe from another world also cut off from anargo but close enough to render aid or a xenos race helps i'm not to sure about that though.
Thirdly, it would be impossible for imperials to convert the traitors, chaos offers more to the common man than the imperium, but i would be easy for chaos to convert the rebels, what did you have in mind to counter this threat asssuming you consider it a threat
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Post by malika on Jul 26, 2004 3:31:54 GMT -5
First Problem: Wasnt the Sargassos sector sort of "cut off" from the Imperium, I mean with the warpstorms and all that?
Second problem: The rebels would have to improvise...I mean they might steal ammunition from the traitors, or perhaps the planet used to be some sort of factory/hive world, able for these rebels to produce weapons on a small scale, totally improvised.
Third problem: I would assume these rebels are very loyal to their cause...I mean look at socialist countries, many people there would gladly have joined the West any ay, but there are some who remain very loyal to their cause, kinda imagine these rebels as the same, ver loyal to the Imperium
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Post by Dazo on Jul 26, 2004 5:03:02 GMT -5
Again, these would be unclean, tainted by chaos do you really want loyalists running round with that sort of thing. And what about food the last time i checked the forces of darkness weren't really into farming and i know i wouldn't want to eat anything touched by them I'm not sure about being able to make their own gear either. If its a hive world the rebels might as well give up because its unlikely theyd be able to find the gates
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Post by malika on Jul 26, 2004 5:14:55 GMT -5
Traitor guard are not immortal yet They still need food and all those things. About using corrupted weapons..the Space Wolves seem to do it too
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Post by Lordof on Jul 26, 2004 15:49:45 GMT -5
A World taken by Chaos doesn't have to become a Daemon World at all.
In fact most Commanders of Chaos forces would realise that when the World becomes a Daemon world that their power would dwindle as something far more powerful will begin to gain sway over the planet.
So i think that it would most likely be just like an imperial world in some circumstances just that Choas is put in place of what would normally be the Emperor.
But a Chaos World would have lot of interest especially if the Chaos Commander of the Worlds military forces is trying to supress the Demagogues who are trying to bring forth their masters into the Mortal universe.
Then throw in some imperial agents and you can be having a lot of interesting events happening.
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Post by CELS on Jul 27, 2004 0:31:49 GMT -5
Chaos gods and daemons aren't exactly known to be the most honest creatures in the galaxy. It's not entirely unlikely that an Imperial Commander would strive to make his world a daemon world in hopes of immortality or even becoming a daemon prince, only to be cast away like a useless toy when the world does fall to chaos, and he is no longer needed. But then, not everyone who turns to chaos for support actually wants to become a daemon, I suppose. Maybe the Imperial commander just wants to escape the cruel Imperium with its high tithes and imposing authority, and then turns to Slaanesh and Tzeentch, which can be very persuasive and give him the idea that the forces of chaos can be his servants and help him win his world back. And then, as Lordof suggested, the traitor Imperial commander might find himself fighting the chaos forces he originally helped grow. Oh, and the Space Wolves aren't the only Space Marines to use chaos artifacts. The Ultramarines themselves use them, apparently
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