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Post by Lordof on Mar 24, 2004 7:57:07 GMT -5
Well you see there would only be reports if anyone was left alive to report a sighting.
Also if it heats up too much the AL could simply move to a newer Secret base and hop into their Stasis chests for a couple of hundred years until the heat dies off
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Post by hairyheretic on Mar 24, 2004 18:54:07 GMT -5
I'd like to see them in the odd skirmish, suddenly appearing on an Imperial world without warning. The Imperials would be paralyzed with shock! Traitor Marines in their midst, from nowhere! They would barely be able to comprehend what they were seeing! Given how little interaction the general populace have with marines, how would they even know they were traitors in the first place? "Why yes, Governer, we are loyal and true space marines. Stop sniggering, Brother Bob. What was that Governer? Red glowing eyes? No, no, I think you've been working too hard. In fact, that's why we're here to help you. Brother Dave will escort you to a .. special retreat we've set up for you, and we'll take care of everything here. Someone please stop Brother Bob laughing, its putting the Governer off."
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Post by CELS on Mar 25, 2004 4:45:07 GMT -5
LoL! I'd say 98% of the citizens in the Imperium would know what a Space Marine looks like. Though very few would have actually seen one, there are countless statues, paintings, propaganda posters, "pict-films", etc
And when you see Space Marines with symbols that hurt to look at them, daubed in blood, with horns, red glowing eyes and fangs.... well, if you lack the intelligence to figure it out, primal instinct will tell you something's off.
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Post by malika on Mar 25, 2004 4:49:48 GMT -5
Well not all Chaos Space Marines look like that. My Alpha Legion for example looks very much like loyalist marines, they only have a few differences. But there are many chapter who kinda have different looks, so to most Imperial citizens it would be just another friendly chapter...and then they all die ;D
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Post by hairyheretic on Mar 25, 2004 12:30:14 GMT -5
LoL! I'd say 98% of the citizens in the Imperium would know what a Space Marine looks like. Though very few would have actually seen one, there are countless statues, paintings, propaganda posters, "pict-films", etc . Or at least a reasonably stylised version thereof. And when you see Space Marines with symbols that hurt to look at them, Strange as it may seem, CSMs going undercover might just have the intelligence to remove such symbols ;D Like those nasty Blood Angels? Or 'No, it looks like blood, but its just paint. Its wonderful for putting the wind up your enemies.' Keep your helmet on, and who will know? Or if the horns are on the helmet, change helmets. See above. Space Wolves? well, if you lack the intelligence to figure it out, primal instinct will tell you something's off. Yes, but its really not that hard for a CSM to cow anyone not of reasonably high rank. With a little prep work they could easily pretend to be loyal marines.
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 2, 2004 15:59:27 GMT -5
I've just tried back-reading the thread and really came to no other conclusions about the Alpha Legion in the Anargo Sector... To repeat my position on them, it seems obvious that they would make an interesting addition to the sector if done on a small (squad-level) basis. Maybe a couple of fire-teams at most, although the whole decurion business seems too interesting to miss out on. Some questions that seem obvious: - Do the AL have a definitive purpose in the Anargo sector?
- Are the AL operating as a single unit or are they spread out?
- To what extent are the AL operations synonymous with some of the 'large cult activities' that have been discussed elsewhere?
- What military resources can the AL call upon? Are people assuming that it is solely in the form of the cults, or something else?
- What significance are people attributing to the concept that the AL are part of the original legiones astartes rather than the succeeding adeptus astartes given that the power-scaling phenomenon that many argue for seems increasingly tenuous?
- Why are mutations a mark of favour when they just get you executed on the spot ("Darn that Tzeentch for it's mark on my forehead...").
Okay, the last one was obviously just stupid but there we go. Kage
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Post by CELS on Apr 5, 2004 4:52:29 GMT -5
To repeat my position on them, it seems obvious that they would make an interesting addition to the sector if done on a small (squad-level) basis. Maybe a couple of fire-teams at most, although the whole decurion business seems too interesting to miss out on. IIRC, the common opinion is that they should have a couple of fire-teams (at least...?) Do the AL have a definitive purpose in the Anargo sector? To sow the seed of corruption untill the Final Black Crusade, when the Imperium will tear itself apart in the name of Chaos. So no, not really Are the AL operating as a single unit or are they spread out? They are spread out, but working together with a common purpose. Even squads would be split up a lot of the time, I imagine, to keep a low profile and cover more ground. Each of the ALs would be a resourceful plotter and leader, and not really a grunt like a World Eater berzerker. Still, I imagine they would operate in squads from time to time. Basically like the Nazgul... To what extent are the AL operations synonymous with some of the 'large cult activities' that have been discussed elsewhere? Which ones are you referring to, specifically? I don't suspect they'd be connected at all to Lord Fenric's millennia-old criminal organisation cult thingy. Starting cults would be their business though, so they'd have a couple of fingers in a couple of pies in most of the Anargo sector. Some pies bigger than others. What military resources can the AL call upon? Are people assuming that it is solely in the form of the cults, or something else? That depends. We haven't really set their size in stone, and I think doing so would be a bad move. Meksum; 5 million cultists, Massil; 1 million cultists, etc. I think it's safe to say that they would have cultists in the PDF of at least some worlds in the Anargo sector though. Trusting the ALs deceptive ways though, I'm sure they could fool some idiot Imperial Governor or Commander into supplying them with military resources. Plenty of possibilities... - AL is given military resources to sabotage the idiot Commander's rivals on his own world or in other systems. - AL is given military resources to aid in rebellion, with the Commander thinking that he can just use Chaos without falling to it. - AL is given military resources to scavenge a space hulk for a Commander who's not willing to give away its treasures to the Imperium.. etcetera... What significance are people attributing to the concept that the AL are part of the original legiones astartes rather than the succeeding adeptus astartes given that the power-scaling phenomenon that many argue for seems increasingly tenuous? I personally do not attribute any particular significance to this. Why are mutations a mark of favour when they just get you executed on the spot ("Darn that Tzeentch for it's mark on my forehead..."). Because it lets you get on with girls who like bad boys. It's the 40k equivalent of smoking and driving a harley ;D
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Post by Destecado on Apr 10, 2004 9:32:27 GMT -5
I went through my stack of White Dwarfs last night and was able to find the issue that contained the Index Astartes article on the Alpha Legion (#276 US / Jan 2003). One of the major points that comes out in the pre-heresy history is that Alpharius and Roboute Guilliman had a pronounced dislike for each other.
Much of it was over their polar opposite views on tactics and organization. Alpharius preferred to come at an enemy from multiple directions after sowing confusion and disorder in the enemy ranks. Guilliman preached his belief in rigid structure and battle doctrine which would eventually become the Codex Astartes.
Alpharius may have also been the mastermind behind the massacre of loyal marines at Istvaan V. The attack was strongly reminiscent of Alpharius tactics. This leads to speculation that Alpharius may have sided with Horus Before the landings at Istvaan V.
Unlike the other "Traitor" Legions that made for the Maelstorm of Eye of Terror after the fall of Horus on Terra, the Alpha Legion continued to fight on unchecked, by the now beleaguered forces of the Imperium. They moved into the galactic east towards the Ultramarines.
Conclusions:
This could place them on a berfect trajectory through the Anargo Sector on their way to meet the Ultramarines in battle. It is theorized that Alpharius wished to meet Guilliam in battle to prove that his tactics were superior to those of the Ultramarines Primarch. The two legions met in battle on Eskrador. Does anyone have any thoughts about how far from the Anargo sector this world might be?
Perhaps the Anargo Sector provided aid and support to the Alpha Legion during the years of the Horus Heresy. From the way it has been described, it does not sound like the sector would have been long under the control of the Imperium before the revolt occured.
The forces would have supported the arm of the Imperium they were most familiar with, the Alpha Legion. This may also be a way for the CSS to not be fully destroyed or razed until the Age of Apostasy. Since the Alpha Legion crushed the civilization that dominated that sub-sector, I'm pretty sure that they would be unwilling to support their actions during the Heresy.
Perhaps the CSS acted as a rally point for loyalist imperial forces rather than the Alpha Legion. this would lead to more worlds in the CSS being devasted by terror attacks by the Alpha Legion or their allies.
The Alpha Legion might have used the sector as a lightning rod to attract loyalist Imperial forces towards them. I'm sure such wide scale attacks would have drawn the attention of the all butintact Ultramarines who were returning with all haste from the Eastern Fringe.
Once it became apparant that the Ultramarines were heading in their direction, the Alpha Legion would have abandoned the Anargo sector to meat the Ultramarines at a place of their choosing.
Of course to keep the moral of their allies up, they could have told them their departure was to head off the "enemy" before they could reach the sector. Alpharius dies on Eskrador, the Imperium claims victory stating they have eradicated the Alpha Marines (of course its not true).
The nobel revolt in the Anargo sector falters after several defeats by the reorganized Imperial forces. Perhaps the Ultramarines show up to help mop up. One of their successor chapters (Frost Wraiths) is eventually sent to garrison the Sector.
Though devastated, the CSS held out long enough for reinforcements to arrive. The sector capital is placed here. Many of the worlds in the sub-sector have been rendered unihabitable to marginally inhabitable. It would take quite some time for the sub-sector to recover, only to again be devastated during the Age Apostsy.
Marines from the Alpha Legion could filter back into the Sector over the centuries. The Alpha Legion was always very secretive. Alpharius never revealed the name of his planet of origin and the records of the location where he first encountered Horus are lost.
The Alpha Legion preferred to operate from hidden bases. They never took over administration or made bases on the worlds that they conquored. Though many of their bases and outposts have been found and destroyed, most were deserted by the time they were found.
this give plenty of opportunity for undiscovered Alpha Legion depots and bases to be scattered around the Anargo sector.
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Post by CELS on Apr 10, 2004 10:31:02 GMT -5
I'm ashamed to say that I haven't really thought about that possiblity before. We've discussed the possibility of Ultramarines encountering the Alpha Legion during the Great Crusade in Anargo, and I personally suggested an encounter and some rivalry between Roboute and Alpharius in the Anargo sector, IIRC.
To make them clash here in the Horus Heresy makes a lot of sense however, and fits perfectly with our previous ideas on the Alpha Legion in the Anargo sector. Good job.
The companies sent from the Post-Heresy Ultramarines to deal with the Alpha Legion in the Anargo sector during the Great Scouring should indeed have been formed into the original Frost Wraiths... splendid idea...
The CSS should be a stronghold for the Alpha Legion ever since the Great Crusade. After the Heresy, the Ultramarines cleansed the Anargo sector, but they did not find all of the Alpha Legionnaires. Some lingered in the CSS. During the Age of Apostasy, these ALs had the brilliant idea of exploiting the hostility between Thorians and Vandire folowers to start a civil war in the Anargo sector, and thus manipulated the CSS and Meksum subsector into rising against the Anargo Sector. Unfortunately for the Meksum subsector, the CSS showed its true allegiance to Chaos, dooming the alliance between Meksum and CSS, and as a result Meksum was defeated and the CSS was exterminated. Soon after, the Thorians overthrew the Vandire reign, and the old rule of Anargo was removed. A bit off topic there, but it is related to the Alpha Legion.
I don't know where that world Eskrador is. I'm pretty sure it's not on any maps.
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Post by Destecado on Apr 10, 2004 11:24:27 GMT -5
The companies sent from the Post-Heresy Ultramarines to deal with the Alpha Legion in the Anargo sector during the Great Scouring should indeed have been formed into the original Frost Wraiths... splendid idea... If that is the case, then we have to take a look at the founding date of the chapter. They are of course not one of the second founding chapters, so perhaps they were of the third or fourth founding. I though I had read some where that they were a successor of the Silver Skulls. Is that accurate? This might work, because the second founding of Ultramarine chapters became known as the progenitor chapters. they are after all just reorganized chapters of the Ultramarines Legion. Several Chapters were spawned directly from these progenitor chapters. The CSS should be a stronghold for the Alpha Legion ever since the Great Crusade. After the Heresy, the Ultramarines cleansed the Anargo sector, but they did not find all of the Alpha Legionnaires. Some lingered in the CSS. I agree that there would be outposts and secret bases of the Alpha Legion throughout the CSS. As I said earlier, I do not think that they should have supported the Alpha Legion. The main culture oof this sub-sector had pretty much been driven to extinction by them. If anyone would want to see the alpha Legion get its just deserts, it would be this people. this is why I think it should have been a strong supporter of the Imperium during the Horus Heresy. It also give the chance for more destruction in the sector as those from other sub-sectors who viewed the Alpha Legion as liberators pressed the attack. Much of the fighting during this period would have taken place in the CSS since the small Imperial forces were fighting a defensive war to hold out until reinforcements could arrive. The former client states were supporting the Alpha Legion, but they were also looking out for their own interests. Many use to be "client worlds" of the advanced culture that had existed in the CSS. This was their opportunity to grab the brass ring. Not all of them were really surving Chaos. There was alot of opportunism, like vultures picking over the not so dead corpse of the civilization. During the Age of Apostasy, these ALs had the brilliant idea of exploiting the hostility between Thorians and Vandire folowers to start a civil war in the Anargo sector, and thus manipulated the CSS and Meksum subsector into rising against the Anargo Sector. Unfortunately for the Meksum subsector, the CSS showed its true allegiance to Chaos, dooming the alliance between Meksum and CSS, and as a result Meksum was defeated and the CSS was exterminated. Soon after, the Thorians overthrew the Vandire reign, and the old rule of Anargo was removed. A bit off topic there, but it is related to the Alpha Legion. It is a bit off the subject of the Alpha Marines, but still relavent. I'll be starting a thread in the CSS Forum with regards to what occured during that period of time. Before I started it, I just wanted to make sure that we agree the Capital of the sector use to rest in the CSS prior to the Age of Apostasy.
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Post by CELS on Apr 13, 2004 3:05:22 GMT -5
If that is the case, then we have to take a look at the founding date of the chapter. They are of course not one of the second founding chapters, so perhaps they were of the third or fourth founding. I though I had read some where that they were a successor of the Silver Skulls. Is that accurate? I don't remember, but I think so. At any rate, it should be easy enough to change if we think it best, and Sikkukkut should e-mail the IA to Kage one of these days.... This might work, because the second founding of Ultramarine chapters became known as the progenitor chapters. they are after all just reorganized chapters of the Ultramarines Legion. Several Chapters were spawned directly from these progenitor chapters. ...during the second founding? The Ultramarines split up into several chapters, which in turn split into more chapters, all in one founding? Personally, I don't see the point. It would make more sense for them to be a Primogenitor chapter, since they were formed by the Ultramarines who'd fought in the Anargo sector in the Horus Heresy. At least, that's what I think. Again, we must wait to see what Sikkukkut has for us I agree that there would be outposts and secret bases of the Alpha Legion throughout the CSS. As I said earlier, I do not think that they should have supported the Alpha Legion. The main culture oof this sub-sector had pretty much been driven to extinction by them. You don't think the AL should have support in the CSS during the Great Scouring (Post-Heresy)? Well, then our opinions differ. Perhaps not the entire subsector, but I at least see a few systems coming to the aid of the AL, giving them an even stronger hold. This would contribute to the slightly cold relationship between Anargo and the CSS that contributed to the decision to go to war and Exterminate the CSS during the Age of Apostasy. If anyone would want to see the alpha Legion get its just deserts, it would be this people. Whom the Alpha Legion liberated less than a millennia earlier? Granted, some of them actually liked their former masters, but I thought we were trying to explain how the Alpha Legion got such a strong hold in this sector by letting them portray themselves as saviors... this is why I think it should have been a strong supporter of the Imperium during the Horus Heresy. It also give the chance for more destruction in the sector as those from other sub-sectors who viewed the Alpha Legion as liberators pressed the attack. Erm... why would anyone else view the Alpha Legion as liberators during the Horus Heresy? Most of the Anargo sector was actually liberated by the Imperial Armies (later IG), and not the AL. Many use to be "client worlds" of the advanced culture that had existed in the CSS. This was their opportunity to grab the brass ring. Not all of them were really surving Chaos. There was alot of opportunism, like vultures picking over the not so dead corpse of the civilization. Let me try to understand you better... 1) The Alpha Legion arrive in the Anargo Sector during the Great Crusade. They find a "Master Class" ruling the CSS using Robots. Though this Master Class are actually liked by their servants, the Alpha Legion doesn't have time to negotiate for peace, and desperately need more victories to prove themselves to the Emperor, and thus declare war. 2) The Master Class are defeated and the Alpha Legion send news to Earth of themselves as heroes having defeated an unholy foe. 3) The citizens of the CSS start to dislike the AL. 4) The Horus Heresy breaks out, and a force of ALs return to the CSS. They are not welcomed by its peoplem but then... the AL doesn't care. 5) The Anargo subsector uses this opportunity to take the power from the CSS by... supporting Chaos? That doesn't make sense. You'd think they'd support the Imperium, rallying to destroy the AL in the CSS, and thus becoming the new capitol.
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Post by Lordof on Apr 13, 2004 8:30:27 GMT -5
IIRC the Ultramarines split into something like 21 chapters
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Post by Destecado on Apr 13, 2004 12:14:03 GMT -5
During the second founding? The Ultramarines split up into several chapters, which in turn split into more chapters, all in one founding? Personally, I don't see the point. It would make more sense for them to be a Primogenitor chapter, since they were formed by the Ultramarines who'd fought in the Anargo sector in the Horus Heresy. At least, that's what I think. Again, we must wait to see what Sikkukkut has for us I think I had indicated that the second founding was mostly just a reorganization of the existing legions into chapters. What I was trying to point out is that the chapters of the second founding are well know and documented. It could be that elements of what would become the Silver Skulls helped in the retaking of the Anargo sector. They could have been there until a subsequent founding created from their geneseed took over protection of the Sector. You don't think the AL should have support in the CSS during the Great Scouring (Post-Heresy)? Well, then our opinions differ. Perhaps not the entire subsector, but I at least see a few systems coming to the aid of the AL, giving them an even stronger hold. This would contribute to the slightly cold relationship between Anargo and the CSS that contributed to the decision to go to war and Exterminate the CSS during the Age of Apostasy. Let me try to understand you better... 1) The Alpha Legion arrive in the Anargo Sector during the Great Crusade. They find a "Master Class" ruling the CSS using Robots. Though this Master Class are actually liked by their servants, the Alpha Legion doesn't have time to negotiate for peace, and desperately need more victories to prove themselves to the Emperor, and thus declare war. 2) The Master Class are defeated and the Alpha Legion send news to Earth of themselves as heroes having defeated an unholy foe. 3) The citizens of the CSS start to dislike the AL. 4) The Horus Heresy breaks out, and a force of ALs return to the CSS. They are not welcomed by its peoplem but then... the AL doesn't care. 5) The Anargo subsector uses this opportunity to take the power from the CSS by... supporting Chaos? That doesn't make sense. You'd think they'd support the Imperium, rallying to destroy the AL in the CSS, and thus becoming the new capitol. This is not what I meant. I think some of the misunderstandings stem from the fact that we have yet to fully define the Age of Strife Culture (AoSC); how far it extended and what its relationship with its neighbor were like. I hope the following will help to better illustrate what I had in mind by my original post. The AoSC dominated a great portion of space that encompassed the CSS. This included worlds that were directly under their control as well as worlds that were deemed “client worlds” or protectorates. The AoSC shared some amount of technology with the client worlds, but they were not directly part of the AoSC society. The best way to describe these worlds would be like the former soviet block countries of Eastern Europe. They provide a buffer between the AoSC and worlds in other sub-sectors, but still share in the wealth of the AoSC culture. Some of the worlds that were excluded from the client world status or who directly opposed the AoSC would be great allies for the Alpha Legion. Some of the client worlds, could also be convinced by the Alpha Legion that if the AoSC fell, they would be able to gain riches that the AoSC were holding back from them. There is plent of room for the Alpha Legion to turn the former allies of the AoSC against them. The reasons for the Alpha Legion originally attacking the AoSC could vary as we discussed earlier. Maybe they were trying to make up lost time and garner battle honors. Perhaps they were leery of such a rich prize falling into the hands of the Adeptus Mechanicus, which was carrying on the main negotiations with the AoSC. If you wish to instead have the Adeptus Mechanicus overtly hostile to the AoSC, you could instead say that they were trying to beat the AM to the punch. Alpharius was well known for trying to capitalize on any advantage possible. If he could conquer the AoSc before the AM had an opportunity, then he could perhaps find useful technology and hide it before the AM moved in. With the culture conquered, its client worlds would probably be incorporated into the Imperium. Once the worlds of the AoSC were purged of any technology or science deemed heretical, they too would probably be incorporated into the Imperium. In the information I have read it was mentioned that perhaps the capital of the Sector was originally in the CSS. That was why I had mentioned the possibility of one of the client worlds or one of the conquered AoSC worlds being made the capital. The Alpha Legion would have set up many secret bases and depots in the CSS during their war with the AoSC. These would be maintained in order to search out any remants of the AoSC that might have escaped the initial cleansing. It also provides them with a base of operations. The question arises whether or not the Alpha Legion saw action in any of the surrounding subsectors or if their campaign was only centered in the CSS. What are your thoughts? Those client worlds that supported the fall of the AoSC would be well disposed to the Alpha Legion as would those that had been excluded from being client worlds. A lot of this comes down to how many worlds we are going to have had in the CSS before the arrival of the great crusade. Could some of these worlds also not have been on the fringes of the CSS, but actually part of the surrounding sub-sectors? Let us say that for the sake of argument the capital for the Sector was situated inside of the CSS. When the Alpha Legion revolted is it our assumption that this capital revolted with them or would they have opposed the revolt? What would be the reaction of the surrounding sub-sectors to the revolt of the legion? It would have been known by that time, what they had done to the advanced AoSc, would they openly oppose them? We need to answer these questions in order to form a full picture of what occurred.
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Post by Lordof on Apr 13, 2004 20:30:38 GMT -5
I think you could use China during WW2 as a good source of background for this.
You have 2 factions which are at war the CSS would be like the Chinese nationalists who would have control of the vast area of space and the new Anargo regime would be like Mao and his communists hiding out in the wilderness and launching raids against the CSS.
When the AL were crushing the CSS the Anargo regime would be be helping the CSS in their struggle against the AL as they would be the common enemy.
Once the CSS were defeated the Anrago regime would still be attempting to wrestle power from them so as to be the power installed by the Imperium.
When the AL rebelled and started trying to recruit people into splitting away from the Imperium the CSS who would have lost much face and power would seek the aid of the AL in taking control of the sector again.
The Anargo regime would of course go Guerilla style being unable to fight the CSS in the open when they are backed by Space Marines.
So it would be a sorat really cool sabotage and spy war between the Anargo regime and the AL with the CSS storming about the place chasing shadows.
Of course the Anargo regime would cause enough disruption to prevent the CSS and AL from consolidating their power inthe area and hence making it easier for the Imperium to reconquer.
The Imperium would reward the Anargo regime by giving them full power over the sector instead of part power over part of it.
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Post by CELS on Apr 14, 2004 10:20:44 GMT -5
I think I had indicated that the second founding was mostly just a reorganization of the existing legions into chapters. What I was trying to point out is that the chapters of the second founding are well know and documented. It could be that elements of what would become the Silver Skulls helped in the retaking of the Anargo sector. They could have been there until a subsequent founding created from their geneseed took over protection of the Sector. Ooooh, I misunderstood you there. Well, that sounds doable. Hope this is compatible with Sikkukkut's plans! It's not certain how many Chapters were formed from the Ultramarine Legion in the second founding though. The Apocrypha of Skaros states there are 23 Secon Founding Chapters, but fails to name them. The Frost Wraiths could easily be one of them. But the Silverskulls idea is better anyway This is not what I meant. I think some of the misunderstandings stem from the fact that we have yet to fully define the Age of Strife Culture (AoSC); how far it extended and what its relationship with its neighbor were like. I hope the following will help to better illustrate what I had in mind by my original post. *snip* Ah. That does clear things up quite a bit. Well, it sounds like a good idea. The reasons for the Alpha Legion originally attacking the AoSC could vary as we discussed earlier. Maybe they were trying to make up lost time and garner battle honors. Perhaps they were leery of such a rich prize falling into the hands of the Adeptus Mechanicus, which was carrying on the main negotiations with the AoSC. If you wish to instead have the Adeptus Mechanicus overtly hostile to the AoSC, you could instead say that they were trying to beat the AM to the punch. I'd say the AM would still abhor the idea of soulless machines after the war against the Iron Men. Did the AM have armies spread around the galaxy at this time? Explorator armies? Alpharius was well known for trying to capitalize on any advantage possible. If he could conquer the AoSc before the AM had an opportunity, then he could perhaps find useful technology and hide it before the AM moved in. I don't think he'd find it useful, since it is considered unholy. He was still trying to impress the Emperor at this point, and if someone found out that he'd actually captured technology when it should have been destroyed, he wouldn't have looked good. I rather see him going too far in destroying these worlds rather than preserving them. With the culture conquered, its client worlds would probably be incorporated into the Imperium. Once the worlds of the AoSC were purged of any technology or science deemed heretical, they too would probably be incorporated into the Imperium. In the information I have read it was mentioned that perhaps the capital of the Sector was originally in the CSS. That was why I had mentioned the possibility of one of the client worlds or one of the conquered AoSC worlds being made the capital. Ah, I see. Well, if the CSS was liberated before the Anargo subsector, this would make sense. Of course, it also depends on the status of Anargo at that time. If Anargo was already the capitol of an empire, then it would be silly to ignore all that infrastructure and simply appoint a new capitol. We'll see what Kage says on the matter. The Alpha Legion would have set up many secret bases and depots in the CSS during their war with the AoSC. These would be maintained in order to search out any remants of the AoSC that might have escaped the initial cleansing. It also provides them with a base of operations. The question arises whether or not the Alpha Legion saw action in any of the surrounding subsectors or if their campaign was only centered in the CSS. What are your thoughts? Well, I'd like to think that they saw combat elsewhere. IIRC, we want to see the Imperial armies fight as well as the Space Marines, not many times better. Are we still interested in an encounter between Ultramarines and Alpharius here? If not Roboute, then at least one of his Captains? Those client worlds that supported the fall of the AoSC would be well disposed to the Alpha Legion as would those that had been excluded from being client worlds. A lot of this comes down to how many worlds we are going to have had in the CSS before the arrival of the great crusade. Could some of these worlds also not have been on the fringes of the CSS, but actually part of the surrounding sub-sectors? The subsectors are pretty far apart, so I doubt this. Let us say that for the sake of argument the capital for the Sector was situated inside of the CSS. When the Alpha Legion revolted is it our assumption that this capital revolted with them or would they have opposed the revolt? What would be the reaction of the surrounding sub-sectors to the revolt of the legion? It would have been known by that time, what they had done to the advanced AoSc, would they openly oppose them? We need to answer these questions in order to form a full picture of what occurred. Assuming you're talking about the Horus Heresy, I'd think at least a few ALs were stationed in the CSS at the time, and helped leading a revolt. Most of the Anargo sector was liberated by the Imperial Armies, and the Dorvastor subsector was even visited by the Emperor himself, as well as the Adeptus Custodes (obviously), so these would be very, very loyal to the Emperor. The Titan Legions of Proteus were loyal to the Emperor, so that would make Proteus loyal to the Emperor, and pretty much the entire Proteus subsector. There might have been a few traitors, but the AM would deal with these promptly. This leaves Meksum, which I'm not sure about. Better ask zholud about that one.
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