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Post by zholud on Feb 11, 2004 15:35:04 GMT -5
Personaly, I would say the ORIGINAL Alphas use these things. I also vote for the at least 2-5 original Alpha Legionaries, those 10,000 old guys… not that I’m spamming but that’s all for a moment.
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Post by hairyheretic on Mar 21, 2004 9:05:58 GMT -5
On the topic of marines and genetic memeory, some of the old RT era fluff showed that marines could gain information by eating brains. I think it was in the novel Space Marine.
If the idea is to go with a series of marines passing along their plans and schemes to new recruits, this might be one way of doing it.
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Post by malika on Mar 21, 2004 9:07:25 GMT -5
It was also in a WD article about the Space Marine organs...some organ caused a marine when he ate his enemy to learn about his enemy.
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Post by Lordof on Mar 21, 2004 22:50:41 GMT -5
Yes the problem with that is that it will only give a vague suggestion of what they were last thinking.
In the novel Space Marine which you were refering to the Scouts ate the Brains of the Titan crew which they were told later was very fortunate for them that the crew had been thinking about their tasks just before they died.
So detailed master plans would be lost as only partial data would be transferred.
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Post by hairyheretic on Mar 22, 2004 5:00:05 GMT -5
Yeah, that was the one. Its been years since I read it though, so I was kinda fuzzy on the specifics.
Whilst the marines abilities themselves might only lead to a partial knowledge transfer, when combined with the Dread Ritual of Something With Far Too Many Constonants, all the knowledge is transfered over.
See .. its easy ;D
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Post by Lordof on Mar 22, 2004 7:03:21 GMT -5
What writing it down on a Data Slate in detail?
Sounds like a boring ritual to me ;D
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Post by hairyheretic on Mar 22, 2004 8:17:03 GMT -5
What writing it down on a Data Slate in detail? Where would the fun be in that? No, it has to be inscribed on the skin of a freshly flayed cultist, written in deamonic ichor. The dataslate just contains the backups ;D Sounds like a boring ritual to me ;D Well, I'd describe some of the Slaaneshi ones, buts CELS is too young to hear about such things ;D
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Post by Lordof on Mar 23, 2004 6:36:05 GMT -5
Only a Cultist?
Come on make it interesting have it be the Flayed Skin of a Loyalist Marine.
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Post by hairyheretic on Mar 23, 2004 8:28:29 GMT -5
What can I say, my Dire Wolves CSMs dispise the cultist vermin, and mistreat them at every opportunity ;D Come on make it interesting have it be the Flayed Skin of a Loyalist Marine. Flayed Marine skin is reserved for the limited edition (1000 copies only, so buy now). The general release uses cultists .. we feel that the quality is still admirable enough for general release, without sending the price excessively high.
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Post by Lordof on Mar 23, 2004 19:14:23 GMT -5
It may look similar but it just doesn't last
It's also a lot rougher and has far more discolorations than the SM skin.
But the Ecclasarcial Cleric Skins make for great substitutes
Even if they do reek a bit of incence
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Post by CELS on Mar 23, 2004 19:29:04 GMT -5
Well, I'd describe some of the Slaaneshi ones, buts CELS is too young to hear about such things ;D Awww, go on. Chances are I've tried at least a few of them myself ;D Aaanyway, I hate to break up this discussion about... skin, but how much open activity do you think would be appropriate for the Alpha Legionnaires themselves? The way we've talked about them makes it sound like they only go around handing out flyers for cults on Imperial worlds, and never actually do any fighting. This makes sense in a way, since it's easier to just get the cultists to do your sabotage and spying, but I'm sure many CSM fans would appreciate seeing the big boys doing some damage themselves. So do you consider it possible for the Marines to fight in the open, or would records of Traitor Marines in the midst of the Imperium bring a storm of Inquisitors and loyal Space Marines with a vengeance, making things very unbearable for the Traitor Marines?
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Post by Lordof on Mar 24, 2004 7:10:44 GMT -5
Well i think they would do the Standard Cult thing
Set up a front somewhere convert a few miscreants and disgruntled people to your cause and let them go out and preach the Word.
Alternatively you could have them make contact with those who are looking for wealth and power etc. and convert them by giving them a little assisstance and then let them convert their wives and children and the Children convert their children etc. etc. This will propogate for say 10 generations and instead of having merely 2000 followers you have in theory about 2 million cultists enough for anyone to have fun with.
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Post by CELS on Mar 24, 2004 7:32:29 GMT -5
So you don't think they'd do any fighting themselves?
I'd like to see them in the odd skirmish, suddenly appearing on an Imperial world without warning. The Imperials would be paralyzed with shock! Traitor Marines in their midst, from nowhere! They would barely be able to comprehend what they were seeing! The Alpha Legionnaires would leave a bunch of half-mad Imperials behind to tell the tale, just to mock the Imperium and show them that no one is safe from them.
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Post by Lordof on Mar 24, 2004 7:46:26 GMT -5
Well of course they would do fighting (Where else would they be able to get the skin necessary for Data Transfer?)
But this would also help them as this could be their Assistance (A household Vendetta performed, Destruction of a Rival company there, A Sighting in a Certain district of a Chaos Marine allowing a certain individual within the PDF forces to advance through shows of Heroics against an almighty Chaos Marine!)
See the possibilities?
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Post by CELS on Mar 24, 2004 7:51:50 GMT -5
Indeed I can see the possibilities. I can also see the possibility of a Lord-Inquisitor hearing about this, feeling none too happy about Traitor Marines walking about in his sector, and summoning enough military and Inquisitorial resources to choke the Eye of Terror. If you have a hundred Inquisitors who know where to look, it's only a matter of time before things get uncomfortable for the Alpha Legionnaires, I imagine.
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