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Post by malika on Aug 27, 2004 11:45:56 GMT -5
Perhaps sort of try to mix Spanish influences when you try to create the naval forces. Did you see that movie 1492: Conquest Of Paradise? It's about Columbus who is going to discover America (or well the Carribean) I could see the Dark Eldar have ships, but this is something we both disagree on. I just dont find it right that the humans have the monopoly on the sea I mean f they werent on the sea the civilized humans would have no real reason to have a large military fleet, but would just have a merchant fleet.
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Post by Dazo on Aug 27, 2004 11:51:17 GMT -5
Well the orks do have a fleet, like a pirate fleet perhaps. Conquistadors eh, i dont know, maybe the major islands could have different flavours of troops if you like, the kingdom capitol would have the central european flavour, with the smaller archipeligoes? having the spanish thing going on. But i would like a unified fleet as they are all part of the same kingdom
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Post by malika on Aug 27, 2004 11:56:01 GMT -5
I meant more the ships and the ports. Not really the soldiers, perhaps the soldiers on the ships, but not the 'knights in shiny armour'. Perhaps nobles who would have more of the Spanish look, but I think nobles could almost look however they want, but sticking with the medeval theme Ork fleets...well more small scale pirate bands are more my liking. I mean maybe they are on other island (smaller ones) or have some small bases on the mainland. Dark Eldar would have small raider fleets, I mean the humans have valuable goods on those merchant fleets. But erm...the Goblins will be with the Orks right? Or are they a faction on their own?
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Post by Dazo on Aug 27, 2004 12:01:48 GMT -5
Ah lets give the little guys a faction of their own, but also have them as slaves for both the DE and orks.
Ah right, yes that should be fine I thought you meant the soldiers. If you've ever seen excalibur(old one not the new one) that type of shiny armour and swords i'm thinking of
Well if they must have a fleet make it very small, It should be a rare sight thats all i'm saying.
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Post by malika on Aug 27, 2004 12:06:19 GMT -5
Goblins on their own...sounds good, Im getting visions of making them sort of Mongolian almost.
I mean, I want them sort of to be what Hobgoblins are in WBF ;D
But ok...perhaps they would have the numbers to have small armies, but I would rather see them as greedy and sneeky traders. They would raid a human settlement, enslave the surviving population and sell them to the highest bidder ;D
Sometimes taking refuge with the Orks, the only thing preventing them from being enslaved by these Orks is their cunning.
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Post by Dazo on Aug 27, 2004 12:15:13 GMT -5
Sneaky greedy manipulative, but more neutral than evil, perhaps with some unique technology, once they got out from under the boot of the orks perhaps they began to develop faster. Hobgoblins are fine with me, though that is perhaps to WFB so maybe not i dunno. Mongolian seems fine, will they nomadic with a good cavalry as well.
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Post by malika on Aug 27, 2004 12:47:17 GMT -5
Im not saying we should put Hobgoblins in it, just make the Goblic culture resemble the Hubgoblin culture somehow. Nomadic traders, pretty neutral
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Post by malika on Aug 27, 2004 13:44:37 GMT -5
For some reason I think it would kick ass if these Goblins had like flying machines, similar to the Goblin Zeppelins in Warcraft 2, the only thing that worries me however is that we might be moving too much to a Warcraft like world with this.
But ok some points:
-All Elves (Dark Eldar) evil...no good guys amongst them!!! There will be Elves in the woods and some small Blood Cults in the mountains.
-Goblins are neutral, cunning traders, would trade with any race, but would also try to cheat on them all if it would mean profit.
-Orks, divided, there are many Ork Tribes out there, some of them are enslaved by the Elves, others are pirates, but most of them have relatively small tribes and just fight and loot whatever they can. However, they are not evil or anything, some of them might be, others might be good.
-Humans, there will be one main island nation, they are civilized and powerfull, a stong naval fleet and sends out armies to help their bretheren who live on the mainland. These mainland humans tend to be somewhat more primitive, comparable to the Norse in WFB
-Dwarves: nothing on yet...soon
-Beastmen, these are creations by the Dark Eldar, they serve as fighting slaves for them, there is a strong rivalry between them and the Ork slaves in who is the best servant of their Eldar masters.
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Post by Dazo on Aug 27, 2004 18:03:22 GMT -5
Haha thats exactly what iwas thinking, but I dont see a problem with this, I've always considered goblins more intelligent than orks
Yep, dwarves/squats have to be technicaly most advanced race but numbers lower than humans and orks. I want different types of dwarf aswell not just your bog standard type underground miners. Metalurgy, black powder, steam, runes. they need to be as hard as nails.
I do like that idea. no goody goody elves, but i want ice elves, mountain type elves, forest type elves, blood elves(degenerate sub species) scorcerers and necromancers, forest type would use beastmen and orks, mountain type use undead.
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Post by malika on Aug 28, 2004 8:48:45 GMT -5
I was more thinking that the mountain and blood type would have been the same
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Post by Dazo on Aug 28, 2004 9:01:11 GMT -5
I wanted the blood eldar/elves to me more disparate in nature, small bands at most, but more likely single. But the mountain elves would be more refined, upperclass fancy buildings, nice jewellery, you know, snobs. Look down on the other dark eldar. Headonists
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Post by CELS on Aug 29, 2004 7:40:47 GMT -5
Parden me for posting without having read the entire thread, but... are you planning on having gretchin (=goblins?) as a seperate 'nation' on this world? How would this work, considering the reproduction of all orkoids?
And what about the Dark Eldar? Why would they conform to the general tech-level of this world, and neglect their splinter rifles and dark lances? Should you throw some kind story about a Dark Eldar ship crashing here at me, then explain why other Dark Eldar haven't come later? Why would the Dark Eldar bother invading other worlds in the sector, when they have lots of tasty human and eldar souls on this 'fantasy' planet, which are nearly defenseless?
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Post by Dazo on Aug 29, 2004 7:53:34 GMT -5
They could have crashed, with limited supplies their weapons would soon run out of ammo and power so they would have to adapt. Why would no other dark eldar show up, well why would the imperium not show up, or more orks. For this type of world to develop in the way we want it it would have to be very isolated, and have properties that would make the development of advanced tech very difficult. I don't actually know, any suggestion you might have would be welcome as i would imagine everyone wants to avoid startrek explanations blah blah energy field blah blah disrupts/retards advanced technoloy
Glad you did, I was worried this was going to become a dazo malika special. And thats a point i hadn't considered. Could you elaborate i'm not up to speed on ork reproduction
Oh and if you could read the rest i'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on some of the other ideas we had
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Post by CELS on Aug 29, 2004 8:02:08 GMT -5
They could have crashed, with limited supplies their weapons would soon run out of ammo and power so they would have to adapt. An obvious solution, and it works. Sounds a bit like Sistina, where thunderstorms will destroy anything high tech, in some regions I actually don't have a suggestion though, which is why I protested. Go to the Ork forum. Read Index Orkicus I'm worried that this will turn into a complete replica of WHFB. Dwarves, Elves, Goblins, a human empire.... I just don't see the point in doing this. To me, this world was much more interesting with just humans, feral orks and eldar exodites. I guess it's a matter of flavour.
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Post by Dazo on Aug 29, 2004 8:17:40 GMT -5
Ah so its not selective, i thought orks bred orks and gretchin bred gretchin. They could be a group of gretchin that fled from the orks but how might they maintain their own civilisation if they dont reproduce consistently gretchin. And the fact they seem to have to die to perpetuate the species is problem as well. I suppose the though was we might do it better, make it more sophisticated, have a bit more depth in the races we chose to use Really, seems kinda vanilla don't you think
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