In 40K marines are four times more massive than an unagumented human and four times stronger than an unagumented human.
I feel like it's the
Blair Witch Project and, once again, we're back at that darned stream because someone cannot figure out that if you follow it your chances of getting out of there improve...
An average human weight (US) is 175lbs, this means marines are at least 700lbs.
So sayeth you. The 'four times' figure ultimately derives from
Inquisitor and the, for me, poor assumptions therein.
Even using your number of 450lbs for a marine, and comparing it to the weight of the largest Silver back Gorilla which also happens to be 450lbs: why is it in your system that a Marine has S:19 when the highest strength for a Gorilla S:24? At the very least shouldn't a marine be S:24?
Mainly because I'm not naturally assuming that Marines are four times stronger, four times more massive, and that size directly relates to strength.
(Yoda amusingly springs to mind, but only because of the phrase "Judge me by my size, do you?"
Relevance ends only there.)
Ulfr is, out of interest, not the strongest of Marines. A tiny bit above the curve, but not completely out there. It is, admittedly, one of the more tenuous parts since there is some 'playability' considerations coming into play: I really didn't want to create Marines with a 'template' ST of 18 or so. It would be feasible, though and I am considering it... (If this were done then Ulfr would have an ST of around 21-22 which is, by definition of the system, superhuman.).
To get it to comply with 40K...
No, to conform to
Inquisitor. Why not use the wargame which has been consistent throughout the editions and does not buy into the, erm, 'assumptions' that you are making? People are always telling me to pay more attention to the wargame... <snicker>
a Marine is S:40 (S:48 in armour). This means he can wrestle tigers (up to 600lbs) and Black Bears (up to 600lbs) Tarzan style!
This is why Space Wolves can take on a giant Fenris Wolf and live.
Unfortunately I don't have
GURPS: Fantasy Bestiary to hand. Wolves are, however, ST 8-10... ("What!?", I hear you gasp! But a grey wolf averages 55-130lbs. Surely they must be ST 5-8... or some such.)
A quick Google for "GURPS giant wolf" shows up a
Middle Earth conversion with a suggested ST of 20-22. So, again, this would be entirely reasonable for a Fenrisian "Marine" to do this. Personally wouldn't want to get on the business end of the teeth and claws, but that's a separate issue.
As to getting the wolf to arm-wrestle the Marine... well, that might be a problem.
In power armour a marine can take on small grizzly (900lbs?).
For me? Comfortably. Apart form the sheer fact
the Marine is in armour (!), Grizzly's rate a ST 22-28 (Kodiak's come in at ST 27-33). So assuming that you could persuade the Grizzly in question to arm wrestle the Marine then, yes, a Marine in PA 'wins'.
It doesn't replace the wearers strength with its own value (never has done).
On some reads... yes. Maybe. But then again the only source of this whole "four times massive ergo four times stronger" comes from
Inquisitor and related sources (e.g. the kind of things that were coming out just before its release). That and size doesn't necessarily relate in a linear way to strength...
But, yes, the original design of the armour like so much else was produced before
Inquisitor... In this PA it is consistent with the 'fluff', with the exception that it glitches with human ST. (Then again, no non-Marine design has been suggested. I'm currently working on the premise that it would be around ST20, but there we go.)
The real amusing thing comes into play when you question the function of
Inquisitor Marine armour given the system... Go and have a look at the
laughable mechanics. I'm sorry, I find it difficult to think of it otherwise. Supposedly a Marine can - unaugmented! - put his fist through power armour!
Let us conside the game mechanics of
Inquisitor. Unarmed combat damage is D3+1 with +1/10S over 50. A Marine not wearing armour has a ST 200 (average), so that's a +15 or D3+16 for an average roll of 18. The AV of PA is 10, meaning that 6 points of damage are going to get through if a non-armoured Marine punches an armoured Marine in the head, say, they're going to cause a Light wound...
If an armoured Marine hits an armoured Marine, then he does 10 points of damage enough to move it up to... Oh, it's still a Light wound.
So remind me what the function of power armour is again? More so in
Inquisitor? It's horrendously heavy armour whose only function is to protect Marines against, well, not other Marines that's for sure. Heck, even gorillas can punch holes in the stuff (:
. It's strength augmentation is only designed to moderate the weight, which is only there because of the size and mass of armour, but that armour doesn't really serve a function in the first place... Oh yes, it's full of gadgets which the Marines supposedly don't need because their organs do everything for them.
When the 'ole noodle is engaged and the system looked at... Well, it becomes glaringly obvious that perhaps
Inquisitor and the assumptions therein are not exactly... erm... particularly substantial.
(Then again, this is from the same system that has shuriken catapults doing the same base damage as laspistols, yet eldar feel the need to carry the bulkier weapon. Of course, you read the text and it is described as a 'side arm', bringing it back to a shuriken pistol (still technically a catapult) so that's less of a problem... but, of course, mistakes cannot be made. Nooo...
)
So, depending on how you read the older 'fluff' (which no longer exists in some arguments since it's early 2E material), it may or may not provide substantial strength augmentation. Regardless, if you use
Inquisitor there really is no purpose to the armour at all... <snicker>
At the moment your description/ design does not match 40K.
<grin> That never seems to bother some people... <cough>
(Damn, I'm talking about myself as well!
)
But then again I fundamentally disagree with the use of
Inquisitor. It makes a mockery of all the editions and buys into the circular assumptions. That and it sucks as a system. But that's a value judgement...
From the descriptions you have given me, what you're arguing is
only consistent with
Inquisitor and your revision of their physiology.
So, did another repeat work?
Oh yes, and you asked me earlier why I no longer bought GW products. While I do buy BL novels, the only thing that has come close to me immediately wanting to purchase it is
Inquisitor... Then I flipped through the book and saw what it was like and, well, that was it. I put the book back on the shelf and walked away. To say that it is glitchy is an understatement...