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Post by Tynesh on Mar 8, 2005 10:17:09 GMT -5
Does the Imperial Eagle hve only one eye on the two heads??
I always thought that the blind eagle represented the Astronomican - the psychers and Astropaths becoming blind during the Soul Binding??
Is there a chance of you doing a crest without the metallic finish. I think this would look much better.
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Post by Sojourner on Mar 8, 2005 11:26:31 GMT -5
Yes, one head is indeed supposed to be blind.
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Post by ZarkTheDamned on Mar 8, 2005 12:00:08 GMT -5
Does the Imperial Eagle hve only one eye on the two heads?? I always thought that the blind eagle represented the Astronomican - the psychers and Astropaths becoming blind during the Soul Binding?? Is there a chance of you doing a crest without the metallic finish. I think this would look much better. The Right head is blind - the eye is black instead of red. As for metallics, I personally really like the metallic eagle. I don't mind doing other crests without this technique, but I feel it should stay for the Anargo one.
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Post by CELS on Mar 8, 2005 14:57:16 GMT -5
I also very much like the metallic eagle, out of interest.
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 8, 2005 18:59:28 GMT -5
As do I... <echo> But maybe a black and 'silver' eye... Thus Sayeth the Law.Kage
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Post by Rogue Trader on Mar 8, 2005 20:06:23 GMT -5
I still stand by my objection to the halberds, I don't think they look like halberds at all, more like spears... Halberds look like this or like these medieval Spanish ones... or this vicious looking thing
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 8, 2005 21:54:12 GMT -5
Oh, I'm not overtly fond on the spear objects myself. The 'law' thing was about the golden Imperial Eagle, which I rather liked. I'm still open to non-weapon options... Erm, assuming that Zark doesn't mind! Kage
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Post by CELS on Mar 9, 2005 4:11:10 GMT -5
Well, there's always the sceptre to represent rulership and power, if you're looking for elongated non-violent items. Rogue Trader, I think halberds come in many, many, many forms, much like swords and axes. Of course, experts might differentiate between halberds ("A weapon of the 15th and 16th centuries having an axlike blade and a steel spike mounted on the end of a long shaft." -Dictionary.com) and poleaxes , but in 40k, these differences tend to be forgotten. A power sword is a power sword. There are no power scimitars, power falchions or power sabres, that I am aware of. Thus, if you're going to object to Zark's halberds, you'd better have a chat with GW about the Adeptus Custodes' halberds as well.
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Post by Zholud on Mar 9, 2005 4:33:29 GMT -5
I still stand by my objection to the halberds, I don't think they look like halberds at all, more like spears... Halberds have a long history and thus many forms. The use justifies the form, I’d say. Early halberds were just long axes, which used inertia to produce greater wounds at bigger distance in comparison with classical axes. The peak of their development in Europe is 15-16th centuries. It was used as defender’s weapons, both against heavy armoured cavalry and infantry, often from walls. Thus it had pike and hook. However, in other countries, especially Japan, halberd was developed as long-shaft sword naginata, similar to our image. In Europe this design was more known as Glaive - weapon with the cutting edge on the convex side. This is actually a knife or sword-like blade mounted on a shaft. It differs from the military scythe in that the cutting edge is on the concave side of the scythe. As I recall from our earlier discussion on the heraldry, halberds were due to visit of Emperor and head of Adeptus Custodes to Dorvastor, where school of these halberd-wearers was present. Thus the arm should be very similar to Custodes one, seen in Horus Heresy card game. p.s. and I too like the new crest
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 9, 2005 7:26:20 GMT -5
Yes, the history and morphology of the halberd is a fascinating topic. Any alternatives linear object alternatives to the darned things - whatever you want to define them as - that derive fromthe 40k universe? Kage
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Post by CELS on Mar 9, 2005 9:57:24 GMT -5
Well, I guess sceptres were not approved. For weapons, you have the common power mauls, swords, axes and spears, and hammers too. Lightning bolts are common in Imperial imagery...
I don't really see the problem with the halberds though. Weapons are common for Imperial crests and symbols, and the halberds look good and reflect the Anargo history. Power mauls do too, but they're not so easy to identify.
My main worry is that the shield is completely clean, with a split field. For the ancient Anargo sector, you'd think there would be a thousand and one symbols to cram onto that shield. Laurels, skulls, iron halos, cogs, beasts, gauntlets, flames, stars, space marines, naval symbols, fleur de lys (sp?), crowns... you name it.
Ah well.
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Post by Rogue Trader on Mar 9, 2005 10:11:37 GMT -5
I suppose that comment was made tongue-in-cheek because the accuracy of GW is laughable at best. I'm obviously not making myself clear here; I like halberds, we should keep them but I don't like the current design, I think they and the shield could be improved. I'll try and get hold of a scanner so that I can at least post an alternative design of the halberds (and perhaps the shield) and be a bit more constructive...
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