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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 7, 2005 0:35:02 GMT -5
I'm laying down the gauntlet, since I'm not sure that anyone can produce the image that I'm after (and which I see as being prominent in the ASP). In the simplest form the description is merely that it is the view that the Navigator sees through the pineal eye...
As we know, description never comes up to the artwork but the basic premise is to have a split image. The major piece is an elliptical (eye shaped, perhaps even segmented) view outside of the eye of a Navigator. They are viewed the warp and seeing the various flows, currents and problems...
The other view is an isometric projected rectangle above the 'eye' frame and which includes a two dimensional representation of the warp.
The goal of the image is to show what a Navigator can see and how the 'psychic tracker' would represent the warp... the idea being that the image tells you so much less than the artificial image.
Anyone going to try for the challenge...? I shall try and explain things in greater detail if there are any takers...
Kage
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Post by rsljudd on Jan 8, 2005 12:38:32 GMT -5
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Post by Sojourner on Jan 8, 2005 12:49:40 GMT -5
I can't see it being that simple. The third eye doesn't 'see' in the same way that the normal eyes see, it's merely a vessel for the navigator's psychic ability. What you're saying is like asking how to represent the senses of sight and hearing in the same image.
Sorry to be a downer, here.
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Post by rsljudd on Jan 8, 2005 14:11:28 GMT -5
I can't see it being that simple. The third eye doesn't 'see' in the same way that the normal eyes see, it's merely a vessel for the navigator's psychic ability. What you're saying is like asking how to represent the senses of sight and hearing in the same image. Sorry to be a downer, here. totally agree Sojourner ;D,it's like trying to describe the colour blue to a blind man  ? |
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 8, 2005 14:29:57 GMT -5
It's called a representation. I'm sure that we're all familiar with the concept. It is something that is meant to draw together the imagery of the calculated and navigated jump, etc. It might even require a number of images, but it is definitely possible... Just not if you try and overcomplicate it.  Consider a landscape image. 2/3 of the paper at the bottom is taken up with the 'ellipse' of an eye. The 'rectangle' is a trapezoid due to perspective, but lies above the eye taking in the dimensions of the eye at its widest point. Surround them is blackness or, perhaps, the subtle reverse image of a cheek bone... What you see in the eye is the prow of the ship, then a representation of the warp sliding by the Geller Field... perhaps even the odd learing face, but nothing too big... All that is represented in the trapezoid is the equivalent of a topographica map with contours, flow dynamics, etc. There would be voids where the 'warp tracker' couldn't determine the presence of the warp since it upwells from a separate 'level' (i.e. thermocline), etc. If I can imagine it I know that it's possible! And, erm, Judd... what are all those blobs? |
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Post by rsljudd on Jan 8, 2005 16:18:44 GMT -5
;D.lolthose blobs?.....it started out eye shaped but when i segmented it took on a life of it's own  .i tried different shapes but they looked to'' insecty'' ,so i thought about doing it like a lava lamp?  ,i was trying to get the inpretion of a number seperate ''screens'/veiws to make up one overall picture? ?..instead of just doing it black around the eye shape i wanted to show electrical impulses , ions,ect,ect, sort of working the image .................if you can imagine it ...it is possible....but the biggest *and main*problem is getting the message across to the person who can't imagine it?? |
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Post by rsljudd on Jan 9, 2005 11:25:17 GMT -5
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 10, 2005 7:51:05 GMT -5
It's not a picture of a person, but an abstracted image ofwhat you might see through their eye if you were, erm, looking through their eye. It's obviously not how vision works, which is why it's abstracted. If I could draw I would show you the basic premise...
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Post by rsljudd on Jan 10, 2005 9:24:38 GMT -5
i'll correct myself as i don't think i explained it properly.. if i did a picture of a landscape or person *from the navigators veiwpiont,or ''through his eyes''*(first person perspective? ..then i would assume if i broke the picture down into two different images for the same picture? one being the veiw from his normal eyes and another one above these with the ''third'' eye.like a pit viper that has infra red pits in it's nose to hunt/detect warm blooded animals in the dark??.......or like predator when he changes his vision modes type thing??.......................ermmm  |
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Post by Tynesh on Jan 10, 2005 9:42:39 GMT -5
Kage's description caught my attention. I though I would see what I could quickly on MSpaint.  img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/Tynesh/WARPEYE.bmpThe 'map'section is a bit too fuzzy for what I imagined, maybe the flows would be more like a jelly or waxy flow to them. Kind of like space-filling models of molecules in chemistry? Hope this helps in somebody's ideas! EDIT: WHY is it so small! The little dots of light are peoples minds, a little touch of my own! |
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Post by rsljudd on Jan 10, 2005 9:46:46 GMT -5
i think any help is most appreciated Tynesh, thanks |
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 12, 2005 23:22:26 GMT -5
Actually, Tynesh, you practically hit it on the head. I'd have the 'Geller Field' a bit closer, but that's just me. The souls I wouldn't include unless they were the souls of a psyker...
As to the rectangle above, to keep with the original premise it would need to be in perspective. I'm not entirely sure now whether that would work but still...
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Post by Philip on Jan 13, 2005 14:41:31 GMT -5
I saw this over on CGITalk and thought of this thread. The first one in particular is how I would imagine the warp (the streams – see my ramblings elsewhere) to look, but in pinks and purples similar to plasma. |
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Post by Zholud on Jan 13, 2005 16:08:17 GMT -5
I saw this over on CGITalk and thought of this thread. More colour and I agree that it looks like warp... |
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Post by Tynesh on Jan 13, 2005 17:46:57 GMT -5
Wow they are really nice. Reminds me of my introduction to fluid thermodynamic modelling on my Year 12 work experience placement at Anglian Water Services. You never would guess how interesting water (or sewage!  ) can be when it flows down a pipe! Just a thought, would the Navigator be able to see the Gellar field or its effects on the surrounding warp? The pic I made has a skewed view. I is essentially from someone outside the Gellar field, looking at the lack of warp inside it. If you were on the ship you would not be able to see where the field was as the coloured form of the warp surrounds the ship totally. Does this make any sense? |
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**eldar??** :)but i'm willing to give it a go and see what i can hopfully achieve 
.........or not?
) can be when it flows down a pipe!