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Post by CELS on Jun 3, 2004 3:07:06 GMT -5
I wasn't aware that the Sol system is usually referred to as Terra. Hm. Well, I'm happy that this is a rule of thumb rather than a 'law'. As you know, all the other systems I have worked on have followed this rule.
Granted, Armageddon was the mainworld of the Armageddon system, but Chinchare is not the 'mainworld' of the Chinchare system. It's just a small mining world with a few thousand citizens. Well, it's actually uninhabited in 999, but anyway.... Sabbatorus on the other hand is the sector's main producer of plasma drives, leading me to believe that it's either an industrial world or a forge world. Similarly, Belis Corona is not the mainworld of its system. It's a dead world with only some orbital docks and munition stockpiles to speak of. The mainworld would be either the pleasure world Belisimar or the presumed mining world Bairsten Prime.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 3, 2004 3:11:03 GMT -5
That's why I say it's a rule of thumb... it also prevents confusion, but we can then reintroduce that confusion to fully represent how the Imperium works. Remembering, of course, that that was one of the original goals... Kage
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Post by Destecado on Jun 3, 2004 9:11:55 GMT -5
One of the things that came out while doing the numbers is that even though the world is much larger than earth, the gravity is still just a little below earth normal. Some of this is due to core density. from this I have determined that the planet's magnetic field might be weeker than earth's.
As for the tainted atmosphere we had discussed the possibility of the developement of a second ionosphere close to the surface due to the increased amount of ionized particles. This could be the taint that exists in the atmophere.
Another thought to be to have a low oxygen level on the planet. the warming trend from the pulsing star has caused the seas to warm. When the water warms, the dissolved carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere. This is part of the greenhouse effect. I guess that this would not really be a reduction in the oxygen levels, but an increase in the CO2 levels.
So which would you be more comfortable with for the purposes of representing the tainted atmosphere, partially ionized atmosphere (second ionosphere) or high levels of CO2?
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Post by CELS on Jun 4, 2004 3:55:05 GMT -5
Well, remember that I want to keep the atmosphere as breathable as possible, in order to justify low tech levels such as feral tribes.
That means a second ionosphere would be a good way out, right?
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Post by Destecado on Jun 4, 2004 7:07:34 GMT -5
Having a second ionosphere will have some health effects. Ionizing radiation when absorbed by cells have enough energy to remove electrons from the atoms that make up the molecules of the biological tissue. This radiation damage can kill or cause horrible mutations. See the following link for more details. www.jlab.org/div_dept/train/rad_guide/effects.htmlI guess this would be a good way to have your two headed grox in such a small amount of time. If we go with the secondary ionosphere, I would say that there would be a dead zone above which nothing could live without protection. This might be in higher elevations of the mountains. Closer to sea level, the effects of the ionization would be less intense. It may be that the culture that lives below the ionization layer (previously sterile culture) is not sterile, but the children they have rarely come to term or are born with such horrendous birth defects, that they instead kidnap children from other cultures to have as their children......Actually we might want to revise this culture a little bit more. The whole idea of stealing children or test subjects to try and counteract the effects of the radiation might be kind of tenuos. There has to be a reason that they would not move from the spot they are in. Perhaps their power source is taken directly from this ionized layer of the atmosphere. The dry lightning is harnessed into large batteries under their strong hold to produce power. It has a very frankensteinesque theme to it. Have you seen Van Helsing yet or any of the old Frankenstein movies with the large light displays from the machines harnessing the power of lightning. They could also be hideously disfigured like the frankenstien monster. Maybe there are some that are not disfigured. These are the ones that deal with the outside societies. They know what happens to mutnats. Maybe they pay badits to bring slaves to them to work in the factories or serve as test subjects or as surogate mothers to carry their young. They could also hide their deformaties behind masks of iron. and replace deformed limbs with ones of metal.
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Post by CELS on Jun 4, 2004 10:02:22 GMT -5
My primary interest in this world is to make it similar to the Fallout-concept I mentioned earlier. If cool ideas come at the expense of this concept, it's something that we can't afford. It would terminate my interest in the planet, anyway. I do want to see mutants on this planet, and quite a lot of them, but I do not want to see them outnumber the normal humans. "Not by a long shot" If we can work out guestimates such as mild radiation in altitudes 1000-2000 meters, and heavy radiation above 2000 meters, that would be good. As to the reason why the highland culture would stay in such an infernal location... The power source idea is good, but I agree that there should be something very important, preferably directly related to health or offspring. Remember that this is a world with more mutation than usual, where the Imperium does not bother sterilising or killing mutants. Maybe as much as 10-20% of the population are mutants. This culture would have nothing to fear from the normal people, since the normal people wouldn't go wasting lives trying to eradicate all the mutants. Hmm... I'll need to think on this...
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Post by Destecado on Jun 8, 2004 4:16:18 GMT -5
The hights you have given for the second Ionosphere would be fine. It means that most people would be down around sea level. there are several mountain chains with high passes, that would take people close to this layer. Having mutants control these high passes and mountainous regions while "normal humans" control the low lands might give a good mixture.
You can have the rate of mutation be whatever you wish. The effects of the ionized particles do not always create viable mutations. Alot of children may be still born or die within several years of birth due to congenital defects.
How people handle the mutations would all depend on their culture and religious backgound. Some might be tollerant, others would hunt down the mutant scum to erradicate them. Maybe there are hunters who make their living by hunting down mutants and bringing their bodies back for money.
I was thinking perhaps you could have a large desert that spans the middle of the largest continent. The "Big Empty" wouldn't be a desert of sand, but would be more like hard baked earth. Perhaps there are communities that stretch accross this desert. they form a trde route through the bad lands. Water would be the commodity of trade. That or technology.
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Post by CELS on Jun 16, 2004 22:09:02 GMT -5
The hights you have given for the second Ionosphere would be fine. It means that most people would be down around sea level. there are several mountain chains with high passes, that would take people close to this layer. Having mutants control these high passes and mountainous regions while "normal humans" control the low lands might give a good mixture. That would be cool, but not only people living near the sea or the coast line would be healthy. Like I've said before, I want the great majority of people on this world to be non-mutants. Looking at Northern America, Las Vegas is 2100 feet above sea level and Des Moines (Iowa) is 500 feet above sea level. This leads me to believe that most of Northern America is actually below 1000 meters. If most of Sistina's continents are similar to Northern America, that would give us mutants only in mountain ranges, I think. Excellent In some regions, that seems plausible, yeah. Speaking of different cultures, DesertGhostExarch gave me the idea of high altitude cultures (which would be mutants) using a lot of steam technology because electricity is too inreliable in those regions. And steam technology is cool Water, I think. Yeah, a desert like that would be cool, and I had already pictured many regions on Sistina to have that kind of baked earth, especially in-land valleys.
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Post by Destecado on Jun 17, 2004 6:38:23 GMT -5
That would be cool, but not only people living near the sea or the coast line would be healthy. Like I've said before, I want the great majority of people on this world to be non-mutants. Looking at Northern America, Las Vegas is 2100 feet above sea level and Des Moines (Iowa) is 500 feet above sea level. This leads me to believe that most of Northern America is actually below 1000 meters. If most of Sistina's continents are similar to Northern America, that would give us mutants only in mountain ranges, I think. Low Lands does not refer to the coast of the continent. As you have indicated in your post, it is areas below a certain level (or up to a certain number of meters above sea level). I did not ntend to only have cultures along the coast. Speaking of different cultures, DesertGhostExarch gave me the idea of high altitude cultures (which would be mutants) using a lot of steam technology because electricity is too inreliable in those regions. And steam technology is cool Steam technology is possible, but for it to work, we have to consider how they produce the steam. Usually steam production requires the burning of some kind of fuel or tapping into geothermal energy. geothermal would be great for large facilities, but what would be the fuel sorce for steam powered tanks or cars? If this is too high in the mountains, it could be above the tree level. trees would also be an inefficient fuel. Are their sources of coal or oil? what fuel would you see them using? BTW I'm in the process of writing a more in depth history of Sistina and the cultures that can be found on the planet. One thin I was considering is having the Saint Sistina, the saint from which the planet takes its name be a martyr. Or perhaps she was horribly burned but continued to fight on even as the skin began to bubble and peal from her skin. It would add a bit of irony to the current plight of the planet. You didn't have a story thought up for Saint Sistina already did you?
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Post by CELS on Jul 1, 2004 7:41:58 GMT -5
First of all, apologies for not replying to this earlier. I must have read your post when I was really tired or something, because it was marked as read, yet I can't remember reading it Low Lands does not refer to the coast of the continent. As you have indicated in your post, it is areas below a certain level (or up to a certain number of meters above sea level). I did not ntend to only have cultures along the coast. Brilliant. Glad we agree on that! Brilliant question! I'm afraid I'm hamstrung by my lack of knowledge about geology. I don't know if it's feasible to have coal or oil high up in the mountains, but I'd suppose not. The tree-level is really set by the temperature, I'm told, so as long as the mountain tops are relatively temperate, trees will survive. What about burning chemicals to make fuel for steam engines? Alchohol isn't that hard to make, I think, and burns very well. Maybe too well. Perhaps other chemicals could be made from plants to be used as fuels or something? Sorry, I don't know if I'm able to help with this Nope, I didn't. I did figure that Saint Sistina would be a martyr though. Aren't all Saints martyrs? Anyway, great idea, except the idea of the bubbling and pealing skin. It's just too disgusting for my faint heart There shouldn't be anything about Saints that makes you go 'ewww'. They don't die from diarrhaea, their eyes don't rot, etc. We could have her fighting even while she was on fire though. And legends could vary tremendously. Some might say that she killed some important arch-enemy in close combat, eventhough she was on fire. Others might say that she set the enemy's palace on fire, and came walking out of the fire unscathed. Or even better, she was sent to retrieve a relic from the enemy, emerging ablaze from the burning ruins, and only allowing herself to die when she had returned the relic to her Sister Superior or whatever. What say you?
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Post by KeirLeslie on Jul 1, 2004 18:18:11 GMT -5
CELS, Saint Sistine rescuing a relic then dying would be brillant. Why? Because it will provide a reason for there to be a Pronatus order concerned with relics of martyrs. This will very good for my concept for the Nebula in the Dorvastor sub.
As for the problems with boiling water for steam tech would solar panels work to make steam? With the lack of moving parts the dry lightning needn't be a problem. Also because they are higher up pollution wouldn't be so prevalent. I've no idea wether this would work in real life, but solar power doesn't seem to be used much in the Imperium.
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Post by CELS on Jul 1, 2004 20:58:34 GMT -5
CELS, Saint Sistine rescuing a relic then dying would be brillant. Why? ;D LoL! How wonderfully selfish of you It would be nice to connect some dots in the Anargo sector though. I've not heard of solar power in 40k, but I'm sure they have the technology to make it. The reason they don't use it, I suppose, is that it's much less effective than other energy sources. And pollution is really a minor issue in 40k
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Post by Destecado on Jul 15, 2004 9:44:45 GMT -5
Sorry for the dela in responding. I have some preliminary thoughts ofr Saint Sistina. but without further knowledge of the involvement of the Adeptae Sororitas in the Anargo Sector, it makes it a little difficult to complete. I've begun a thread in the dorvastor subsector ( HERE) in order to try to drive the discussion on this topic. For the most part my thought on Saint Sistina is that she is a member of an order pronatus. Rather than being a sister of long standing, she was but a novice when she was martyred. She was part of an expidition to recover a blade that fell into the hands of a local chaos cult. When the sisters went to retreive it with the help of sisters from one of the militant orders, they found the blade had become corrupted and was wielded by a space marine champion of chaos (Alpha Legion). The blade burned with a sickly red flame. Its cut a swath through the sisters. In desperation Sistina prayed to the Emperor for strength and threw herself upon the blade. The blade pierce through her and exited her back, but became lodged. Try as he might, the chaos champion was able to wrest the blade from within her. The flames of the blade cause the ceremite plates of her armour to curl up and blacken as so much paper. Her close cropped hair and skin were also set ablaze, yet no sound was heard from Sistina. Many beleive that she was already dead by this time, but those sisters near the battle state that she still struggled with the spawn of chaos to keep the blade lodged within her. Her sisters were not lax. They used Sistina's sacrifice to cut down the champion. Even after the champion fell the battle continued as they sisters slew the remainder of the cult members present. It was only afterwards that they turned their attention to their own fallen, among them Sistina. The heat and flames from the blade had been intense. Little but charged remains were left, but a miraculace thing had occured. The blade no longer burned with the corruption of chaos. On closer inspection not a trace of chaos could be found upon it. It has pierced Sistina through the heart. Some beleive that it was her courage, faith and unwillingness to relinquish the sword back to chaos that had purified it. I know that its a little rough at this time, but what do you think of the concept? She may be the patron saint of the church on Sitina. Any thoughts?
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Post by CELS on Jul 16, 2004 6:34:15 GMT -5
A nice story, Destecado. I'll see if I contribute more to the discussion of the Order Pronatus tonight.
By the way... it seems that there isn't that much left to be said about Sistina at the moment. Sure, there's a lot that can be done, but I think we've said enough to start work on a Standard Representation. I was wondering, would you be willing to work on that, if I went and generated the appropriate world date from Heaven & Earth (or possibly the Guide, if H&E is too unwieldy for our concept)?
Personally, I've got enough projects that I'm currently working on in the ASP... for a while.
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Post by Destecado on Jul 16, 2004 6:43:38 GMT -5
I'll give it a shot. Luckily there are only two worlds in the system, sistina and a gas giant. Have you given any thought to having moons around Sistina?
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