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Post by CELS on Dec 31, 2003 13:10:10 GMT -5
I was unsure where to put this so I just posted it here: Just thought I'd start a seperate thread, for the sake of simplicity  Where did you get the name from, btw? I like it. Knight World Olm Olm is one of the Knight Worlds that belong to the Proteus Forge World. For now, it's the only Knight world belonging to Proteus. I'll consider adding a second later. I'm going to want at least two factory/industrial worlds, and if the subsector consists of only a forgeworld, some knight worlds and some industrial worlds, I'll think it a bit boring. Its main commodity is its rich abundance of minerals and ores. A ruling family controls the planet in much the same way as an Imperial commander. The most powerful member is the Governor, a position that can only be held by a man. If the Governor is killed or deemed unfit to rule, his eldest son is chosen to replace him. If he has no son, the eldest brother is selected and so their family becomes the new rulers. Cool. Would the present ruling family and its relatives have held the 'throne' for millennia then? Or would there have been wars that saw new ruling families take control? The reason I'm asking, is that Olm sounds pretty peaceful. When we were discussing Knight worlds before, I got the impression that the families would go to war with eachother with their Knights. Or were the Knights just given to the citizens of Olm as a trade-off for their minerals and manpower, so that the ruling family would maintain their position for all eternity? Has the distribution of power been stagnant since the arrival of the AM? Before Olm was colonised by the Adeptus Mechanicus it had reached a technological level equivalent to post Black powder, after colonisation their technology is now similar to the rest of the Imperium due to the Adeptus Mechanicus’ mining rigs and subsequent employment of the population in the factories and other facilities that now dot the landscape. Excellent. So the entire population of Olm benefits from this technology? The streets are lighted with electrical lamps, there is television (or 40k equivalent) and showers? |
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 31, 2003 9:31:20 GMT -5
Where did you get the name from, btw? I like it. A pale-skinned blind salamander with external gills which lives in limestone caves in SE Europe (also know as a Proteus)  . For now, it's the only Knight world belonging to Proteus. I'll consider adding a second later. I'm going to want at least two factory/industrial worlds, and if the subsector consists of only a forgeworld, some knight worlds and some industrial worlds, I'll think it a bit boring. How about adding in a death world to the sector? Cool. Would the present ruling family and its relatives have held the 'throne' for millennia then? Or would there have been wars that saw new ruling families take control? Before the AM arrived, assassinations and wars were common but now the ruling family (which was put in charge by the AM because of their co-operative views) now use the technology gifted to them to maintain control. Has the distribution of power been stagnant since the arrival of the AM? Very much so, the ruling family maintains their control of power through the fear of the technology they possess. Excellent. So the entire population of Olm benefits from this technology? The streets are lighted with electrical lamps, there is television (or 40k equivalent) and showers? Well yes they do benefit from the technology but not as much as the ruling family. The AM agreed to allow the ruling family (which the AM helped put in power) have access to technology (las guns, basic body armour, small tanks) they left the distribution of the technology up to the ruling family. Naturally they kept the most advanced of the technology to themselves whilst allowing the general population have access to the basics (electricity, hot water, water purifiers, etc). This was to fool the population into thinking that they were better off and being treated fairly. The ruling family went on to use the technology they kept for themselves to enforce their own rules on all those that conspire against them, ensuring they always remain in control. |
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 1, 2004 4:19:00 GMT -5
I agree that the AM doesn't just happily share their technology, but they were at a very vulnerable stage when they first arrived. Alone and cut off from Mars, they needed an army fast as hell, and thus a union with this/these Knight world(s) was perfect. In no time at all, Proteus was growing into a forgeworld with its own Titan Legion, Knights from Olm, and a growing tech-guard (also recruited from Olm, perhaps). The Adeptus Mechanicus wasn’t in such a desperate situation as you have suggested. Here’s an excerpt from ‘Liber Mechanicus’ describing the exploratory expeditions during the Age of Strife: The leaders of the Cult Mechanicus knew that this might be a one-way journey and so filled their spacecraft with everything they needed to seed a new colony, including thousands of servitors and Tech-Priests and an entire Titan Legion for conquest or protection.Granted that the Adeptus Mechanicus would need to recruit from Olm and surrounding planets eventually they weren’t in any panic to do so. |
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Post by CELS on Jan 1, 2004 4:21:15 GMT -5
Olm: A pale-skinned blind salamander with external gills which lives in limestone caves in SE Europe (also know as a Proteus) . Aaahhh... very clever indeed! How about adding in a death world to the sector? Take a look at the first post in the Introduction thread. That's what I have to work with. I guess the suggested factory world with all the oceans would make a good Knight world. Do you have suggestions for other Knight worlds? A death world.. hmm... why, and which world? Perhaps the planet with aliens could be a death world, but that raises a lot of questions. How about if the Knight world was a death world? If it was like Catachan, with big alien nasties walking around, the people would have something to do with their Knights. Might be cool. If you have any thoughts on worlds other than Olm, I would love to hear about them in the Introduction thread. Sorry about being such a pain about this, but it just makes it a lot easier when you're looking for some information, and can look through one thread instead of five This was to fool the population into thinking that they were better off and being treated fairly. The ruling family went on to use the technology they kept for themselves to enforce their own rules on all those that conspire against them, ensuring they always remain in control. But weren't the people better off? Or is this some kind of nasty dicatorship with possible rebellions and La Resistance-kind of imagery. |
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Post by CELS on Jan 1, 2004 4:25:13 GMT -5
Granted that the Adeptus Mechanicus would need to recruit from Olm and surrounding planets eventually they weren’t in any panic to do so. Hmmm, agreed. Just anxious to get their hands on such a valuable resource then. A chance to build a small and powerful 'empire' of their own, with large armies of tech guard, millions or billions of potential labourers on Olm, and lots and lots of mineral resources. |
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 1, 2004 4:27:08 GMT -5
Yes the population were better off but they had no idea of the extent of technology granted to them. They are unaware of how the technology was distributed.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 1, 2004 4:52:37 GMT -5
Please remember that the pastoral/agrarian imagery of Knight Worlds is not exactly the most... erm... interesting. We should also not try and surround every Forgeworld with a bunch of Knight worlds. Kage |
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 1, 2004 4:55:46 GMT -5
We should also not try and surround every Forgeworld with a bunch of Knight worlds. Agreed...as not every Forge World has Knight Worlds. Mars for example. |
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Post by CELS on Jan 1, 2004 6:35:31 GMT -5
Please remember that the pastoral/agrarian imagery of Knight Worlds is not exactly the most... erm... interesting. We should also not try and surround every Forgeworld with a bunch of Knight worlds. Would you care to be a bit more... precise? I got the impression that you and Farseer Kythil desired Knight world s in the sector, so I said yes. At first, I only wanted one Knight world in the Proteus subsector, to allow for more variety. I then got the impression that Farseer Kythil wanted a second, and since I did agree to Knight world s, I said yes. So should we just be perfectly clear about this and set a number? What do you mean by a bunch? Personally, I would prefer one Knight world, but I'll accept two of them, as long as they're not 'clones'. What say ye? |
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 1, 2004 6:41:50 GMT -5
I then got the impression that Farseer Kythil wanted a second, and since I did agree to Knight world s, I said yes. I never specified that the second Knight World was for the Proteus Forge World (it was merely an idea I was concidering). Generally I view the 'typical' number of Knight Worlds to be around 2 at most 3, but that's just me. |
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Post by CELS on Jan 1, 2004 6:48:00 GMT -5
Ok, but for the new forgeworld to have a Knight world, it would have to find a lost human world within the Meksum subsector and claim that as belonging to the Adeptus Mechanicus. I think it a bit unlikely to find such an undiscovered civilisation in such a heavily trafficked subsector...
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 1, 2004 6:54:25 GMT -5
Agreed...perhaps 'Morin' could be put into the 'Other Sector'?
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Post by CELS on Jan 1, 2004 7:02:22 GMT -5
You mean... not in the Anargo sector, but the Cruciatine sector? Or do you mean the 'other subsector'? If you mean the 'other subsector', then I suggest that you raise this question in the appropriate forum. Personally, I don't see the point of having a Knight world in a distant subsector, but I'm open for discussion |
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Jan 1, 2004 7:06:37 GMT -5
It won't be a Knight World if it's in the other subsector now will it? (since it won't be controlled by a Forge World) It will only be a Knight World if it remains in the Proteus subsector. If it doesn't remain in the Proteus Subsector there is no reason why it shouldn't be used elsewhere. |
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Post by CELS on Jan 1, 2004 7:10:32 GMT -5
Oh, I didn't think you were interested in creating 'normal' worlds. Sure, that idea works fine as a regular world, in which case I would doubly recommend that you look at the iceworld I suggested in the Proteus subsector. There's actually no reason at all why you should choose 'the other subsector' (which is still something of a question mark), since there are lots of perfectly fine subsectors where you could put such a world.
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