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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 17, 2004 3:50:30 GMT -5
A rather spammy thread, but what the heck. There has been continual pressure to create a more significant eldar presence in the ASP despite my desire to keep things a tad more 'realistic' than having a couple of craftworlds, numerous Exodite worlds, a significant dark eldar 'attack base' and the like.
Perhaps I was being over-zealous. Thus with the idea that we should maintain a tempered approach, does anyone have any suggestions for eldar within the ASP, including craftworld, dark and Exodite...?
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Post by Dazo on Aug 17, 2004 4:58:12 GMT -5
I really think we should keep it low key, this is supposed to be an average sector as many people have pointed out, though now people seem to be pushing it to the max, trying to condense all the juicy parts of 40k into 1 sector. You should stick with what you origionally planned kage keep it, if not small then average, do we want anargo to be the centre of the new galaxy smashing eldar empire i don't think so Oh and I personally don't want any dark eldar and we are no where near the exodite worlds so that should be knocked on the head aswell
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Post by malika on Aug 17, 2004 5:38:21 GMT -5
No exodites...perhaps a few on the Craftworld colony world ass civilians...
Dark Eldar: I can see them have a small presence in the Anargo Sector, I dont really see why they wont be there. Small raids on Imperial transports, maybe some attacks on weak worlds.
Craftworld Eldar: they are the main focus in the Anargo sector, they are the ones with the colony world...I dont know about having Craftworld float through the Sector, I think we should leave that out. Colonies ok, but not whole craftworlds.
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Post by CELS on Aug 17, 2004 6:20:21 GMT -5
*sigh* I thought we had already established the presence of Dark Eldar in the Anargo sector. Not only has there been a fair amount of discussion regarding the extent of their presence, but they also feature in some of the background written so far.
My suggestion for the Dark Eldar is that we keep the status quo. At present, I believe we agreed (more or less) on a capital ship and a number of escorts. At some times in the history of this sector, it might have been more. At other times, it might have been less.
The question, for me, is not 'Why Dark Eldar', it's 'Why not?'. We're trying to include as many alien races as possible, obviously, as long as it doesn't have a negative effect on realism, consistency and the imagery we want for the Anargo sector. The reason, of course, is that we want there to be a little something for everybody. We could have a perfectly good sector without any aliens at all, and without even a significant Adeptus Astartes presence. Orks and Eldar are spread across the galaxy, but they're not everywhere. But it would be an awfully dull sector without them.
So obviously, by including Dark Eldar, we allow Dark Eldar fans to use their favourite characters in Anargo RPGing, fiction, and of course participate with their Dark Eldar armies/fleets in Warhammer 40,000 / Epic 40,000 / Battlefleet Gothic / Inquisitor - based campaigns.
If someone is thinking of reducing the Dark Eldar presence, I'll again have to ask why, and ask you to consider the following; - With a single capital ship and a group of escorts, the Dark Eldar will have a small impact upon the sector compared to other non-Imperial forces. Remember, most Dark Eldar avoid large battles if they can. They're interested in stealing and kidnapping, not dying honourably to defeat their enemies. - Dark Eldar would obviously prefer to attack in large numbers, because smaller numbers mean more casualties.
For those of you who want to increase the Dark Eldar presence, keep in mind that the Dark Eldar are in no way a great race in terms of total population and resources. From the little I know, it's quite likely that they're a lot fewer even than the Eldar.
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Post by malika on Aug 17, 2004 6:29:41 GMT -5
Yes but remember all the Dark Eldar who are present in the Anargo sector are either warriors or other sorts of military personell (pilots for the ships, slavers, slaves)
The other Eldar not only have warriors but also a greater number of civilians. They also have a colony world (or several...Im not sure what Kage wants with this). So that would mean there is a higher number of Eldar present.
Keep the number of Dark Eldar as it is.
Just a question: Is it possible for Craftworld Eldar to become Dark Eldar? If so, the Dark Eldar forces might try to convince their Craftworld brethern to join them and they might grow a little bit, or have somebody to replace their losses during combat
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Post by Destecado on Aug 17, 2004 6:43:04 GMT -5
The Dark Eldar should be in the sector, but they should remain at their given numbers. The forces that you have mentioned might consist of just one Kabal. Perhaps they are on extended raiding missions or they may have lost their place in Commorragh and are forced to live as vagabonds.
Based on its location, the Anargo sector does appear to be part of the soft underbelly of the Imperium. It might be the ideal location for a abal to try to rebuild or at least stock up on a good number of slaves.
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Post by Sojourner on Aug 17, 2004 9:40:16 GMT -5
Bleh.
Stop right there. To be brutally honest, I don't think for a moment that having aliens popping up here there and everywhere is at all appropriate for what we're doing here. Remember how everybody complained about the sheer diversity of aliens in the Armageddon III and Eye of Terror campaigns?
Eldar have, as far as we know, in the region of dozens of craftworlds and perhaps a similar number of Dark Eldar-held worlds from which to act, compared to around a million Imperial systems. The chances of getting only one 'breed' of Eldar having any presence at all in a given sector is slim, and though the presence of one may well infer the other, a significant presence of both seems rather...well, implausible, to me at least.
This is developing into a rant, but what I'm trying to get across is that I don't believe aliens are or should be a natural factor in the running of an Imperial sector.
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Post by CELS on Aug 17, 2004 11:27:32 GMT -5
What's your point?
As said in a 40k comic book, "Speak plainly brother, or not at all". Are you saying that you don't want Dark Eldar or Eldar in the amounts that have been suggested? Because if that's not what you're saying then yes, that developed into a rant.
And of course, only partly quoting what I said is absolutely pointless, because I followed up by saying that it shouldn't have any negative effects on realism, consistency and the imagery we want for the Anargo sector, which is what you're 'ranting' about when you speak of implausibility and the Imperial sector.
Obviously, I'm not trying to cram everything into a single sector. But we are striving to please everyone. We could have gone with a perfectly average Imperial sector without Eldar, Orks, Adeptus Astartes or any other oddities. But we won't.
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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 17, 2004 12:03:50 GMT -5
This is developing into a rant, but what I'm trying to get across is that I don't believe aliens are or should be a natural factor in the running of an Imperial sector. The simple answer to this is that Imperium sectors are porous affairs. We're dealing with an "Imperium sector" and all the attendant space that that deals with. We are not just concentrating on the subsectors, but Wildspace as well... This means that we must, by definition, contend with other races. Thus we have orks, eldar, necrons and, at the moment, Aodians and possibly Atlanteans. No other races have been accepted. The purpose of this thread was to open up the potential for people to suggest another presence of eldar if they felt strongly about it or, in the case of the dark eldar, actually make a suggestion for the specific 'fluff' behind a kabal...
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Post by CELS on Aug 17, 2004 12:20:59 GMT -5
On the subject of Kabals... it seems to me that these are the 'houses' of Commorragh (sp?), and far different from Eldar craftworlds or Ork tribes / hordes in both structure and purpose. Now, as I understand it, all Dark Eldar come from Commorragh, so encountering a certain Kabal in Ultramar is just likely as encountering any other Kabal. The fluff doesn't say anything like "The Kabal of the Poisonous Heart is observed in Segmentum Tempestus", so we're really free to include any of the official Kabals in the Anargo sector if we wish.
That said, I guess Kabals might work kind of like mobster families, with each having their own territory, which it is understood that no other Kabals are allowed to touch, and that could be a way of tying a specific Kabal (of our own invention, if we please) to the Anargo sector and Ultima Segmentum specifically.
Hmm... *dusts off old Dark Eldar Codex and Fluff Bible*
"As already noted, Dark Eldar society is riven with strife, discord and murder, and any member of this society requires some form of protection in order to survive. The kabals offer this protection to their members"
"This said, the different Kabals constantly vie with each other for territory and political power and it seems very likely that each Kabal controls a territory witin Commorragh"
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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 17, 2004 12:30:25 GMT -5
And one cannot help but fall to the "powerful" imagery of the Dark Elves of D&D and Menzobarranzan (I can never spell that bugger correctly), of which the dark eldar are practically a direct lift but without the matriarchal society. Even the city itself...
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Post by Dazo on Aug 17, 2004 12:58:58 GMT -5
Menzoberranzan. Drow kick ass, and if thats what dark eldar were then i would demand them in anargo, but their nowhere near as interesting or sophisticated as black elves so...mmmha, They are not even as developed as Druchii, sure they look good, but I want more than that, they are vicious without reprieve and that is just plain tedious. If you want dark eldar fine, just keep them away from my worlds.
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Post by malika on Aug 17, 2004 13:09:52 GMT -5
I heard there was going to be some info about Dark Eldar culture in the upcoming US White Dwarf, any Americans working on this project? This info might be more than what we have so far which is: "dark eldar like to go out and hunt and kill and torture...and yah...thats about it"
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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 19, 2004 9:13:29 GMT -5
So basically the only other thing that people want to include is the dark eldar, which we've already mentioned but not 'codified'...?
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Post by Destecado on Aug 19, 2004 11:55:31 GMT -5
I had originally wanted to see perhaps an exodite world within the Sector, but based on how things are shaping up, the idea is seeming less and less viable. I'm willing to settle for DE. Time to dig out the old Kabal.
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