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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 27, 2003 18:15:30 GMT -5
They were the native species but were able to hide from the Imperial presence by blending into their surroundings or only coming out at night etc (It's not a great reason but anywho...).
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Post by CELS on Dec 27, 2003 18:49:54 GMT -5
This would work, but it doesn't quite go with the fact that they are a technologically advanced race, who are very likely to have cities with power generators that would be easy to find on Imperial scanners, etc.
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 28, 2003 5:43:10 GMT -5
This would work, but it doesn't quite go with the fact that they are a technologically advanced race, who are very likely to have cities with power generators that would be easy to find on Imperial scanners, etc. Not so, using thier technology thier cities are hidden using phase shift generators and the same applied to the aliens themselves. In a bid to avoid capture or death the aliens hid thier civilisation by sending it out of phase with the rest of reality. (Think Ree 2 from SG1)
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 28, 2003 9:02:56 GMT -5
Is not this level of technology too high for a 'sub-race'? Edit - I'll stand corrected. I've just remembered the phase field generator from 'ole Rogue Trader days. Perhaps discussion of this race should be directed towards the 'Other Races' board? Kage
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 28, 2003 9:18:25 GMT -5
I have brought up this idea to be integrated into the alien 'ghost' race
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 28, 2003 18:39:38 GMT -5
You'll obviously have to wait for CELS' comments on this, to see whether he is willing to allow any integration. Furthermore he has also to comment on the concept of integrating them to the 'mysterious centre' concept, both of which would affect this suggestion. Kage
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Post by CELS on Dec 28, 2003 21:16:56 GMT -5
I guess we should start a new thread in the parent forum or the Alien forum, but quite frankly I can't be bothered. The Aoideans have already featured on three different threads, which gets really unwieldy really fast.
I have no problem with the alien presence in the Proteus subsector being the ancient remains of Aoidean civilisation, but since we do have room for more minor alien races in the sector, I would be more interested in creating a whole new race unique to this world.
As for the phase-generators... if the aliens had this kind of technology, would it not be likely that they would have inhabited the entire planet, and probably other nearby systems as well? How about making them an aquatic race, deep, deep on the bottom of the ocean? I'm talking many kilometres deep, where sunlight wouldn't even reach. Should be easy enough to hide...
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 28, 2003 22:37:05 GMT -5
As for the phase-generators... if the aliens had this kind of technology, would it not be likely that they would have inhabited the entire planet, and probably other nearby systems as well?... Not really... the phase field generator described in the 40k material only has a rather limited range and only 'removes' a small volume of space... How about making them an aquatic race, deep, deep on the bottom of the ocean? I'm talking many kilometres deep, where sunlight wouldn't even reach. Should be easy enough to hide... Imagery from the Abyss now springs forth... This would indeed be a possibility, although it would also depend on the current physical nature of the world. Kage
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Post by CELS on Dec 29, 2003 5:30:33 GMT -5
Not really... the phase field generator described in the 40k material only has a rather limited range and only 'removes' a small volume of space... Yes, but consider how much of Earth was colonised by the time electricity came. And consider how advanced a race would be to actually produce such phase field generators. Unless it was an aquatic race (or a 'normal' race living under water for some reason), I'm pretty sure the humans would arrive on this planet and find it covered with cities and such. Imagery from the Abyss now springs forth... Aaah, and now the image of the breasts of the female main character springs forth This would indeed be a possibility, although it would also depend on the current physical nature of the world. As would all life. There used to be talk of an aquatic race in the Anargo sector. Is the creator of that race still with us?
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 29, 2003 5:43:24 GMT -5
How about making them an aquatic race, deep, deep on the bottom of the ocean? I have no problem with tha aquatic alien angle, it would help explain their apparent absence from the planet. Aaah, and now the image of the breasts of the female main character springs forth I can't help but think I'm missing something here... As I haven't seen the Abyss I probably am. ;D
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Post by CELS on Dec 29, 2003 8:38:59 GMT -5
;D Now, with that out of the way, I would like to direct your attention at the other planets in the subsector, or possibly the forgeworld itself. Does everything look peachy? No objections?
I'm afraid the fluffbible didn't contain much information about the knight worlds, if I'm to disregard the Eldar stuff. Could someone please enlighten me, or direct me to a website?
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 29, 2003 9:52:42 GMT -5
I have information on the knight worlds but Kage would probably raise a few arguments about their descriptions.
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 29, 2003 9:56:15 GMT -5
I have information on the knight worlds but Kage would probably raise a few arguments about their descriptions. The Knights should make sense, that is all... again I find it interesting if we move away from the standard and boorish pastoral economy Knights which, while cool, do not make a whole lot of sense... Post descriptions away, Farseer Kythil. As you yourself have said, we have to start somewhere. Kage
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Post by Farseer Kythil on Dec 29, 2003 11:00:05 GMT -5
Ok, this is what information I have on Knight Worlds:
The human worlds discovered by the Tech-Priests retained little of their old technology. They had devolved into feudal states ruled by aristocratic nobles who welcomed the Tech-Priests as long awaited saviours. Those that did not welcome the Tech-Priests did not survive long. The Tech-Priests settled amongst these feudal empires, or Knight Worlds, choosing planets that were mineral rich where they could rebuild their industries. The established contacts between the Knights, trading with their worlds and investigating the ancient ruins where surviving technology could still sometimes be found. The Knights provided manpower and security against enemies such as marauding Orks and land-hungry Eldar Exodites. In return the Tech-Priests provided technical expertise and help rebuilding their planets.
Over the millennia the Forge Worlds became powerful and the Knight Worlds flourished under their wing. The Tech-Priests and Knights became mutually dependent and each Forge World became the hub of an empire consisting of the forge World and its surrounding Knight Worlds. The Knights learned much from the Tech-Priests and their societies were gradually transformed into technically sophisticated cultures. Many of the Forge Worlds were successful in maintaining sporadic contact with each other, and the Tech-Priests’ obsession with knowledge ensured that discoveries on one world were downloaded to altars throughout the galaxy.
The most important innovations that the Tech-Priests brought to the Knight Worlds were the fighting machines called Knights. These machines were one-man versions of a Titan, much smaller and less powerful than a real Titan was, but far more suited to the mobile style of warfare prevalent amongst the nobility of the Knight Worlds.
Today these Knights fight alongside the Titans and form a reserve of troops, which can be called up into the Titan Legions when required. Each machine is piloted by a noble of the Knight Worlds, a Knight warrior within a Knight machine, for these worlds have maintained their feudal societies over the millennia. Indeed, the acquisition of technology and the active support of the Tech-Priests enabled the warrior nobility to strengthen its position of power on their worlds.
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Post by CELS on Dec 29, 2003 19:24:35 GMT -5
When was the Anargo sector made part of the Imperium, or founded? Because obviously Proteus and any Knight worlds would have to date further back than that, if the Forgeworld is to be dependant on these feudal worlds for manpower.
Second, if the Knights are only used as a reserve, what is their use when they're not fighting for the AM/Imperium? Do they just spend time fighting amongst themselves?
If yes, how would the AM relate to worlds that consist of many small nations/clans/whatever? Do they still give these Knights technology and equipment? Why? And why hasn't the Imperium taken this world and made use of its resources and population? I don't see the Imperium letting good fighting units such as these Knights just go about destroying themselves. Not now, not five millennia ago, not ever.
If you can help me answer these questions, I'll be glad to look at introducing this concept in the Proteus subsector. I must say, these questions aside, I was surprised to see that this idea wasn't as bad as I had expected. It has potential...
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