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Post by malika on Jul 21, 2004 7:46:49 GMT -5
I can see the Kabal have something the size of a small base, to refuel and reload their ships, there would also be a webway portal there to supply the base from Commorragh of course.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 21, 2004 12:59:04 GMT -5
What about psionic tracing? This is one of the greater myopic stances by GW, but what is to prevent, say, the eldar from psychically tracing the location of said base and obliterating it? Or pointing someone else to do it?
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Post by CELS on Jul 23, 2004 0:29:28 GMT -5
Well, psychic tracing or not, all the eldar would really need to do, is capture a Dark Eldar alive and then use their psychic powers to extract the information, like the psychic interrogations of the Inquisition. So the only thing preventing the Eldar from obliterating such a base, would be the military might of said base. Dark Eldar rarely give up without a fight, and the Eldar need to be careful with picking their fights, after all. If we were to give Tir'asur a presence of the Spider Clan however, the question would be; What's to prevent the Eldar from giving the location of the dark eldar base to the Imperium, and letting them destroy it?
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Post by malika on Jul 23, 2004 0:59:08 GMT -5
I dont think the Eldar are that much out to destroy their Dark Kin, they would primarily target other races, those filthy Mon Keigh for example. I think they would even try to very carefully ally with their Dark Kin
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 23, 2004 8:46:33 GMT -5
If we were to give Tir'asur a presence of the Spider Clan however, the question would be; What's to prevent the Eldar from giving the location of the dark eldar base to the Imperium, and letting them destroy it? Absolutely nothing, CELS. Absolutely nothing. And now it's me that's spamming...
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Post by CELS on Jul 23, 2004 10:00:01 GMT -5
Absolutely nothing, CELS. Absolutely nothing. Then you must agree that it would be much cooler for a major Spider clan presence on Tir'asur than the boring old Dragon clan. Actually, I didn't spam. I posted a one-liner And of course, you could have replied to Malika's insane suggestion of Eldar allying with Dark Eldar. It's about as likely as Marines allying with Traitor Marines
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Post by malika on Jul 23, 2004 11:48:02 GMT -5
I think the Dark Eldar would ally to the Craft World eldar if both their interests would be fulfilled by doing so, perhaps the Eldar (CWE) send some Imperial prisoner who has commited a horrible crime to the Eldar to the Dark Eldar for torture (there was a story in a WD which mentioned this)
Dark Eldar "allying" to Chaos, perhaps to fight a common enemy, Chaos wants some planet, the Dark Eldar just grab the opportunity to capture slaves during that attack, not really an alliance, but more of an mutual enemy, so they both attack them, making their victory possible. Remember though...no Alliances with Slaanesh forces!
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 23, 2004 12:09:19 GMT -5
Then you must agree that it would be much cooler for a major Spider clan presence on Tir'asur than the boring old Dragon clan. The problem here is that I need to define the Clans a bit more beyond the hazy concep tthey are currently in. All eldar are inherently 'sneaky', it's just the overall approach/interest that makes the difference. Indeed, I would like help with them, but it doesn't seem to be something that people like thinking about... And of course, you could have replied to Malika's insane suggestion of Eldar allying with Dark Eldar. It's about as likely as Marines allying with Traitor Marines <grin> Craftworld eldar do share more in common with dark eldar then they do humans. I can definitely see some Clans of craftworld eldar trying to engage in a manipulation against the dark eldar... It is not, however, something that I intend to add to the mix... Regardless, however, if someone wishes to include a small dark eldar presence in the Anargo sector then you are free to do so. Just temper it slightly... CELS: What's a "reasonable" number of ships (including types) for a dark eldar 'renegade' kabal, or something similar...?
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Post by malika on Jul 23, 2004 12:25:50 GMT -5
Renegade Kabal? What about a lone Haemonculus who has hired a small force of Dark Eldar warriors to aid him on his search/hunt for slaves to torture and experiment on? It could be a small force, perhaps a command ship for the Heamonculus...it's just that right now Im totally crazy about the Grotesques
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Post by CELS on Jul 23, 2004 13:50:35 GMT -5
What kind of Dark Eldar presence would I like to see in the Anargo sector. First of all, I have no idea what kind of resources a 'Kabal' would have. As far as I know, GW gives no clue at all, because 'Kabals' are something they have invented purely for their evil wargaming purposes.
But... I see the forces of Dark Eldar in the Anargo sector varying greatly over time. They might be gone for decades or centuries, and then come in great force to do a surprise attack. Actually, surprise attacks in overwhelming numbers form the entire repertoir of Dark Eldar, as it were.
So... how about a cruiser and half a dozen escort vessels? Not too much, really. In the past, I had imagined much larger Dark Eldar forces attacking worlds such as Nagoma and Archaios.
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Post by malika on Jul 24, 2004 0:32:53 GMT -5
Perhaps large attacks in the past, but nowadays they might have problems at the homefront (rival Kabals back in Commorragh) So they are no longer able to carry out large scale attacks on the Sector, so they commit small raids and smaller attacks.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 24, 2004 1:36:14 GMT -5
So... how about a cruiser and half a dozen escort vessels? Not too much, really. But how many Dark Eldar is that, out of interest? At present Tir'asur has a total population of 700,000 'residents' (not counting transients). It would be interesting to compare numbers, as it were... Then again I guess it depends on how many eldar crew the various vessel types...
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Post by malika on Jul 24, 2004 1:42:33 GMT -5
How would the Dark Eldar crew their ships? The Craftworld Eldar use spirit stones and that sort of things, the Dark Eldar dont have access to those.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 24, 2004 2:06:04 GMT -5
How would the Dark Eldar crew their ships? The Craftworld Eldar use spirit stones and that sort of things, the Dark Eldar dont have access to those. That is, in part, it. Eldar vessels should have a much reduced crew requirement per v-displacement ton than Imperium vessels, which are obviously very crew intensive. But it's not just "spirit stones" for the craftworld eldar, which are going to have only a nominal effect on the 'crew requirement', but the technology that they employ...
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Post by malika on Jul 24, 2004 2:08:49 GMT -5
I have this vision that the Dark Eldar would have prisoners hooked up to the ship for controls and all that, they suffer while controlling the ship. Something similar to the Dark Eldar Talos.
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