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Post by Philip on Jan 8, 2005 14:17:25 GMT -5
That doesn't pan out. Genetically the clone might be a latent, but that doesn't mean that they would have to have exactly the same life experiences to be a psyker. Perhaps to be exactly the same person with exactly the same psyker abilities, but even then it might not work. Common imagery is that when the warp is involved who is to know? That’s what I’m talking about, being exactly the same, and if not they may never develop Psyker powers in the first place. Whatever catalyst even makes someone a psyker from latency could be present with the clone. What ever DNA allows this to come about is in all humans… With the exception that they're genetically predisposed towards it... No more than any other human, the point I’m making is that everyone by the mere fact of being human (with humans brain architecture) could develop Psyker powers if their Warp signature matrix just happens by chance (chaos) to fall in a way that ‘starts the engine’. Well, one would argue that the genetic component is predominant. After all this is the continual bludgeon that is used with regards to the Navigators, who are now 'outed' as psykers in the more conventional sense (rather than being acknowledged as likely using psyker powers... yes there is a minor difference!). Navigators have the Eye which would be genetic. I'm rather fond of it as well... but there we go. Perhaps not quite as random as one might suggest, but there we go. Oh, random as hell, but I would say that most of the ‘turns of the key’ are via strong emotions. All of which is fairly irrelevant for this thread... ;D
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Post by malika on Jan 10, 2005 11:33:22 GMT -5
So the 'psychic' part of the human mind is genetic right? Similar to what the Eldar have? Look at the Eldar, especially the Dark Eldar, none of them manifest their psychic abilities, and if they do they are quickly killed and have their souls eaten.
But it remains a part of their genetics. I dont think that cloning a psycher would make the clone be a psycher too, well not as in a psycher who has manifested his/her powers. This kind of reminds me of that movie Boys from Brazil in which Dr Mengele manages to clone several Hitlers and lets the clones be raised exactly the same as the original Adolf Hitler, however in the end you find out that it doesnt really matter if the person is cloned, he would still be different. Each soul is unique I think, you cannoy clone a soul.
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Post by Philip on Jan 10, 2005 12:58:34 GMT -5
So the 'psychic' part of the human mind is genetic right? Only the potential to be a Psyker is genetic, and all humans have that potential. Similar to what the Eldar have? Kinda, but with Eldar they always fulfil the potential if given proper tuition (which they do, and they live a very long time, so it always turn up sooner or later), the Eldar teaching systems kick start the Psyker ‘engine’. Look at the Eldar, especially the Dark Eldar, none of them manifest their psychic abilities, and if they do they are quickly killed and have their souls eaten. Dark Eldar don’t kick start the engine, but some may develop it anyway through natural means. (Not to up on Dark Eldar fluff). But it remains a part of their genetics. I dont think that cloning a psycher would make the clone be a psycher too, well not as in a psycher who has manifested his/her powers. This kind of reminds me of that movie Boys from Brazil in which Dr Mengele manages to clone several Hitlers and lets the clones be raised exactly the same as the original Adolf Hitler, however in the end you find out that it doesnt really matter if the person is cloned, he would still be different. Each soul is unique I think, you cannoy clone a soul. I agree.
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Post by malika on Jan 10, 2005 14:23:11 GMT -5
I think all the Eldar subraces have this "engine" however the Dark Eldar dont turn it on, so they wont be detected by Slaanesh, it can only be turned on safely with training I think, hence the whole Path of the Seer thing with the Craftworlders. I think this training to "turn on" their psychic powers is something that has been practised before the Fall too. (other Warp entities like fresh Eldar souls too).
I know that what I post here is about the Eldar, but I personally dont think that this would work that different (if not totally the same) with humans.
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Post by Philip on Jan 11, 2005 12:38:53 GMT -5
Totally agree, I think Eldar are a more fully developed as Psykers not only because its easier to 'start the engine', but also because they have a lot more time to try. I think their brain architecture makes a more efficient warp signature matrix than a humans, but it may not always be as powerful.
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Post by ErnestBorgnine on Feb 4, 2005 13:25:52 GMT -5
Only the potential to be a Psyker is genetic, and all humans have that potential. This would get around the fairly frequent objection that the Ordo Hereticus ought to be eliminating entire bloodlines, but if it is entirely a matter of environment and random chance which humans become psykers (as the Imperium doesn't know how to open that door and wouldn't do it if it could) , why is the mutant so feared? From one of 40k's major influences:
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 4, 2005 17:43:55 GMT -5
<sigh> The joys of good writing, vision and scope... <sigh>
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