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Post by CELS on Jul 28, 2004 13:15:02 GMT -5
Alright, to show you people where I'm coming from, I've tried to paint two of the options on my battle barge's shields. This is the 'unknown' version And this is the suggestion by Lordof. Now, try looking at this through the eyes of a stranger. Would you be able to see what this is supposed to be? Would it look cool? If you think these are badly painted, keep in mind that the circle has a diameter of about 7.5 millimeters. On the smaller strike cruiser, this circle is about 3.5 millimeters. On the frigates, the circle is 2 mm. The symbol of the ultramarines, the blood angels, the crimson fists, the black templars, the iron hands- I can do all those with some success, even on such small surfaces, because they're easily recognized. Showing a skull biting over a halfmoon, with a spear behind the skull, but in front of the moon... now, that's difficult. Some of you might go; "Well, who cares? Just because it's hard to paint on your ships, we should go with a less cool alternative?" Well, you could say that, and choose to be a bit cynical, but consider my models (and other Frost Bringer models by other members, should they come, and even Zidagar's Altarran sky pirates) a way to attract more members. If people see something that they think looks like a dead bird hung from its tail feathers, they're a bit unlikely to say "Cool! Which chapter is that?"
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Post by Philip on Jul 28, 2004 13:30:51 GMT -5
It looks a bit like an Ork skull, I'm not trying to be funny, it's just the crescent looks like a wide jaw.
I think you have chosen one of the harder designs to paint (because at that scale it will be difficult to read no matter how good you are), I really think a six point star would look better (be more instantly recognisable) and it would take up the whole space (so it would look and be bigger).
If you can paint Blood Angels symbol I'm sure you can manage a little icicle star?
One the little ships you could do a simple six point star and skull, and on this bigger one maybe you could add some extra spikes to make it more 'snow flake'.
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Post by CELS on Jul 28, 2004 14:17:16 GMT -5
It looks a bit like an Ork skull, I'm not trying to be funny, it's just the crescent looks like a wide jaw. Actually, I just painted these pretty quickly just so you could get the basic idea. I wasn't really trying to make them anatomically correct Yes, but in my humble opinion, a simple six point star isn't really that.... 'cool'. That would leave us with the simple 'snowflake of doom', which thankfully seems tremendously unpopular. Snowflake Warriors seems right up there with Rainbow Warriors, if you ask me
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Post by Philip on Jul 28, 2004 14:29:53 GMT -5
Yes, but in my humble opinion, a simple six point star isn't really that.... 'cool'. A six pointed icicle star isn't cool? Don't forget the skull in the middle, the skull is good. I think you're worrying too much, the Ultramarines have a Omega sign painted upside down and Blood Angels have spiders on their shoulders. That would leave us with the simple 'snowflake of doom', which thankfully seems tremendously unpopular. Snowflake Warriors seems right up there with Rainbow Warriors, if you ask me I see your point, icicles of doom? Call it an 'Ice Star', if anyone asks blame me. Before you ask I have no idea what an Ice Star is. Edit Yes I do. Its an Ice world, perhaps in the past they though the stars were made of Ice? Perhaps work it into there legends etc.
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Post by Lordof on Jul 28, 2004 15:56:25 GMT -5
I will put forward a suggestion of saying that after this vote (unless more ideas crop up) that we should cull the least popular icons (Eg those with 0 or 1 vote) and then hold another vote and get it down to the most popular icon after culling off the least popular options again.
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Post by Dazo on Jul 30, 2004 4:22:24 GMT -5
Can I suggest reversing the crescent so its points go up instead of down, the might alleviate the ork comparison, oh and thats some nice work there CELS, both look really good
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Post by Lordof on Aug 2, 2004 1:28:26 GMT -5
Having the crescent going up would make it look even closer to an Ork Skull.
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Post by CELS on Aug 2, 2004 1:40:46 GMT -5
Could someone try painting Lordof's suggestion on a Space Marine shoulder pad? It seems like the most popular one, and if we're going to submit this Chapter to GW for it to become 'official' we need someone to paint up some models in Frost Bringer heraldry. Who's up for the challenge?
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Post by Lordof on Aug 2, 2004 2:14:15 GMT -5
ok I've quickly knocked up a fancy symbol for the skull, spear and Crescent.
Also a version with just the skull and crescent.
I will mail it them Cels since i don't have any photo accounts online.
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Post by CELS on Aug 2, 2004 2:33:15 GMT -5
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Post by Sikkukkut on Aug 2, 2004 4:36:05 GMT -5
Phwoar! I like those. The skull/spear/crescent moon combo is my favourite, although I take the point about the crescent looking like it's part of the skull when it's painted on as an insignia. Be a pity to lose it, though, I like it as a symbol of Adliden. Up at about a 45-degree angle, maybe?
PS - I've been meaning to say, CELS, that I'm a huge admirer of your painting skills. I wish I could paint insignia that well.
PPS - In case anyone's curious, the original star design in my suggestion sketch was based on the High Elf sunburst emblem in the old Blood Bowl rulebook.
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Post by CELS on Aug 2, 2004 4:55:31 GMT -5
Thanks, Sikkukkut! Mind you, this is the Battle Barge... I fear it will look like insect poopoo when I paint it on a surface that is 3 times smaller... Ah well, maybe I'll just have the symbol on the battle barge, and leave the other ships as mysterious On the High Elf star, I had a peak through my old High Elf book from 5th Edition Warhammer, and noticed that the High Elf use a lot of different type of stars. They use ten-pointed stars, like the iron halo, twelve-pointed stars, and also eight-pointed stars, like the one you copied. Perhaps though, we should start a new poll with the following three options; 1) Skull and moon 2) Skull and spear 3) Skull, moon and spear. I'm not sure what you mean by the 45 degree angle, Sikkukkut. Care to post a simple scetch, or even mail me one?
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Post by Lordof on Aug 2, 2004 15:33:18 GMT -5
I'll knock up a couple of new pictures with that in mind I can even knock up one with the 45 degree angle (he's meaning rotate the crescent 45 degrees I think) aswell as the other choices just listed.
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Post by Lordof on Aug 2, 2004 16:00:10 GMT -5
emailing them to you now. ;D
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Post by Tynesh on Aug 2, 2004 21:46:18 GMT -5
What about turning the moon through 90 degrees so it is vertical behind the skull. This way it will look less like the skull has a banana in it's mouth:)
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